I wish there was some way to print all our responses out and send it to Craig Just so he knows his fans aren't pissed and we support him.

Get well soon Craig and take your time, don't rush it.

yeah thats what I was thinking

lol there should be special page for us Aspie fans.

"dude, we know how it feels. go take a break we know you'll come back with something grand"

yeah a page for us aspies would be good, its sllightly comforting knowing Craig has aspergers too and he goes through the same or similar difficulties.
I just wish there was a way we could get him to see all our comments and well wishes......... oh and virtual hugs lol

I've always felt for him during the Winning Days days (lol) and when they diagnosed him I was like FINNNALLLY IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

I feel like he wrote Spaceship for peeps like us lol

yeah during the Winning Days days (lol that is funny) me & my mum always thought there was something not quite right with Craig. When he got diagnosed it made sense and it also made me think about my behaviours too, so I've been talking to my psychologists about it

I love Spaceship, I always felt a connection to that song and sometimes it makes me cry

this has seriously screwed up my week, just finished exams and now im permanantly in a shitty mood, but then again this is probably half of the reason why I'm so obsessed with this band.

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The schedule WAS hectic for someone who can't cope with touring and flying. Are you not aware of Craig's history??

I can't comment on the drugs part because I really don't know, but this would have happened whether he was on drugs or not.

And this is the first time they've had to cancel in long time!!

Craig, you are who you choose to "hang" with. Even if it's not you which some might think it's not. Perhaps get a grip on the real issue in your band. You might know what it is and we will all be here to support him. I mean, "you." Just get your shit together guys, this is so 2003. Enough with the drama. Stop worrying all your fans and not "commenting" on it and just do your job. Make beautiful music and play it live. We will love you, no matter what.

Oh my god, you're so entertaining.

Can I keep her? Please, mom?

Sorry I take that back actually.

How can you, as fans, stand how they say SOMETHING IS WRONG! But please don't ask us any questions about it! Or mention it ever again! Please pretend like this is not even happening. Don't be sheep! Ask questions, demand answers.

What?

"The band and Craig’s family would like to ask that sensitivity be shown at a difficult time and ask that this statement be taken as their only comment on this matter. "
Is what I mean.
How about the sensitivity Craig shows to his fans? To show up to a gig or two? Yes but please, do not ever mention this topic again to The Vines as a whole, or Craig or his family. They obviously cannot handle it as they have stated.

Um. I'm pretty sure they don't want people showing up on their doorsteps and asking what kind of crazy Craig's got now. That's hardly an excessive request.

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Um no, an apology shouldn't have even been expected of the band because what Craig is going through is nobody's fault. That's like apologizing "We're sorry, Craig died so we can't do these shows..." I mean it might not be that, but whatever it is must be pretty damn serious I'm assuming since they canceled all those shows that are months from now. And they did show a lot of sensitivity and appreciation for their fans in that message, all they asked for in return was some understanding. I'm sure Craig was not meaning to let his fans down but you know what...shit happens. People with AS deal with stress differently than "normal" people but he'll get better after some rest, freedom, maybe a sammich.

Or they could be lying to us.

No, no, no, no! That's not how you do this, you aren't supposed to edit posts. Play nicely so we can all have a great time reading your masterpieces. *jumps up and down enthusiastically*

I'm sure craig doesn't even know we exist, or give a flying fuck about us come to think of it, personally I have forgiven him for all his screw up's and shit because I have accepted that it's apart of his condition. But he's just got to come to grips with the fact that hes a rockstar and thats the way he earns a living and stop being a fuckwit about it. I know I'm going to get slayed for this comment but we all know it. I have been obsessed with this band ever since the beginning but even I am starting to doubt my love for them.

You do realise his disorder makes it very hard for him to handle the stress that comes with touring? Would YOU put that little money the band makes from gigs before your sanity?

you have a valid point, no I wouldn't I guess I'm just frustrated about the fact that things seemed to be getting to some sort of normality then all of a sudden this bombshell gets dropped on us.

I can understand the frustration, but unfortunately I don't think this is really something anyone, including Craig himself, can do much about. I mean, it's not like they just decided they preferred pottering around and canceled the tour because they were just big meanies. At least this time around they decided to take a break before things went really bad and another Annandale happened - and I think that was the responsible thing to do, rather than 'fuckwitty'.

Really? The people that show up to his gigs right in front of him and watch him perform? The people that meet him after shows and tell him how much they love his musc, etc? I'm sure he knows he let a lot of people down, he's not stupid...if you mean he doesn't care about fame that's probably true, but he probably likes the idea of people liking his music. And if you mean he doesn't know we exist as in the people on this message board you're probably right, he probably isn't even aware of the internet. (yeah I said probably like 5 times)

What I don't understand is how people can't understand he has a disorder and should respect him for even trying. He remembered all the shit that happened in 2004, but still tried it again, it went well for a while, then ended up driving him insane again.

I totally agree.
And if there is ,please include our, Japanese fans' best wishes for Craig.
On Japanese Vines' forum, people are now posting numerous messages about this cancellation.
99% of them are not upset at all, they (incl. me) are just worried about Craig's condition deeply, and hoping he comes back to Japan when he gets well in the future.
And many fans think that was even right choice to decide not to come to Japan when it's bad timing for him.
If he forced to come, it would have been much more worse situation....
Much worse than tour in 2004...so.

Of course, we are so depressed basically though...

leongirl come, fly away with me
i will take u to the land of crackpipes & broken promises
& we will be ever so happy :3!!!!!!!!!!!!!

um, craig isn't some elected official who owes his constituents an explanation for his actions. no, he's simply an individual who loves to make music and has fans who appreciate that talent and enjoy listening to his music. craig, the band, and his family don't owe any of us anything beyond whatever music the vines choose to share with us. if craig can't tour behind those recordings, which the band and mgmt made clear in 2004 was a debatable thing depending on craig's mental stability, then as fans we'll need to settle for that.

it's unfortunate some fans lost out on seeing the band in perth, and then at future dates in japan and oz, but that's the thing with mental issues...they don't arise when it's convenient for people. i'm sure craig would much rather be healthy and doing well and able to play his music for fans. duh. as fans, let's respect their wishes for privacy and send our best wishes his way - which is exactly what 99% of the people in this thread are doing. the other 1% is already half way on her way to being completely banned after comments made earlier in the week and today.

best thing said in this thread so far.



I wish Craig would discover the internet and have the band do webcasts instead of concerts I honestly don't care for concerts much these days, but I like watching live performances (go figure).

They could do a weekly video like President-elect Obama

Well said Wonky..

this is really sad I'm so glad I went to the Adelaide show

I hope he gets better soon :/

This is the first time I've ever really felt like I needed to post something on this forum.

Everyone suffers from something. It's how we deal with it that's important. That's just how I see things though. I also don't think anyone can really judge anyone else for what they do whether it be posting things in a forum you don't like to read or canceling shows. But, you really can't get angry at people for being angry. Emotions come and go. And people who claim that others are being "insensitive" or can't understand why other people "don't understand his illness" is kind of ironic. Why don't you understand why people would be angry? I know I am. For my own selfish reasons too and I can't really pick and choose how I'll react to things. Please don't mistake me, I also care about his health and really do wish him the best but sometimes I wonder... and sometimes I get angry. I mean, I was hoping to meet someone I really admire and I was hoping that since he's nearly middle-aged and has a lot more education about what he suffers from he could get through playing shows and touring again, so to me... I don't see how I couldn't be let down or even occasionally angry.

I know some may want to comment and say, "You're judging us for judging people," but that's not really it. I just get the feeling that it's almost as if you guys aren't letting yourselves be a little bit something other than supportive and that it's not okay to be upset.

I disagree. If you come on here being an asshole about something that no-one can control, then I feel I have every right to judge you for it.

It's perfectly fine to be upset, but I don't think anyone is justified in directing their anger at the band.



Because it's not as simple as being able to understanding the disorder better. You don't get a list of symptoms, have a couple of therapy sessions, and all of a sudden you can control it.

exactly.
it's understandable that a lot of people are upset that they won't get to see the concerts they were looking forward to. i know i am. but actually being angry at craig/the band for something they can't control is completely different.
the band has apologised for the situation, and they definitely don't owe us any more explanation, because they've made the situation fairly clear.
i'm sure they were looking forward to playing big day out, they wouldn't have agreed to play it if they weren't. and all the other shows/festivals, it's just very unfortunate that this has happened.

I hope he gets better soon

"I was hoping that since he's nearly middle-aged"

Come again????
31 is nearly middle-aged??
I never got that memo.....

Besides, I don't think that the issues that arose depended more on what ever level of life experience Craig has as they did from the triggers and catalysts of circumstance (and thats just a generalized statement I'm not inferring to anything in specific. Thats just how I've known things to work with other people). I won't judge anyone for having whatever feelings they're having. But I think people need to realize that this is a personality type/disorder that can be very difficult to find middle ground with. So yeah... periods of relative stability or decent stability can give out to rockiness and hard times. And vice versa.

And to everyone... We're asked for support and understanding and to not pry. If you don't support the decision, oh well. If you don't understand the situation, try to. And if you excessively pry or post assumptions as fact concerning these issues I have a nifty ban button.

WHAT.
So whoever gets angry first gets the golden membership card and everyone else is barred from anything but smiley faces? In what ... weird place does that make sense? At all?
Also, would that mean that if Craig got angry at his managers and the world and whatnot and cancel the tour because of that, no one would be allowed to get angry at him for it since you can't get angry at people for being angry and all?

No, look, I understand the frustration, but that's just stupid.

Also, can I at least have Barrowman get angry for funsies?



How is that ironic? Oh, you mean that if, for example, I call you insensitive, I'm being insensitive towards you? Again, WHAT.

Barrowman is always welcome for funsies, no matter what form he takes.



Well, 31 is almost 35, which is almost 40, which is almost 50, which practically makes you a dinosaur.



Crack that admin whip, Liz!

Now that the shows are canceled, Im sure Craig will be eager to record a new album. (after he is better of course) If they are not going to do tours, i think it would be cool if they started to record studio footage to keep us entertained...video wise... but it wouldn't really mater because a new record would be good enough. it would still be amazing if they came out with a dvd.

I agree, I would honestly love it more to get "behind the scenes" footage regularly than go to a concert.

Not that I can go to one unless I win the lottery and fly to Oz.

See! This would please both Craig, management, and us pitiful overseas fans

exactly...i hate living in america.

OMG, i just can't believe this. i've been a lurker on this board for a few months now, checked all the news, gigs, piccies etc but gosh, i wasn't expecting this at all. I'm so sad that Craig is back to all the hard times we thought he had fought. i just hope he gets better soon, that's all i can say atm. but fortunatly he's got a golden family, his girlfriend & all his friends & fans by his side.

Thats a good idea. There are more bands now that have webcams in the studio so anybody can look and see whats going on or they will make a blog/diary. A DVD would be awesome.

Good point!

*applies for senior discount program*

I'm so sorry to hear Craig is going through this all over again. And I'm so sorry people have missed out on opportunities to see the band. But it's great to see so many people showing that they care about Craig's health and not whinging about not being able to see them. Who knows what this means for the band- as much as I don't want to have to say this, the band should be the last thing on his mind right now. I wish Craig and all the other guys the best for helping Craig and his family through a difficult time.

My first post, cause I think there's a need to express my sorrow for Craig and the band:( .

As what other fans have said, Craig's health is, and always will be, the #1 important thing. He's done so much for us, creating perfect music and trying his best to present the songs live while constantly coping with his disorder. Craig literally does not own us anything, he's given us so much. If not doing live concerts can stabilize his metal condition, then I'd be very glad for hearing the cancellation. Ever since I knew they were going to do the national tour, I worried about Craig's health. I thought the schedule was too intense for him.

Please Craig, take a break, get better and don't push yourself too hard! We fans all love you still!

For now, watching the old footages of them pretty much satisfies me, they never get old and I'm in Canada anyways

P.S the fans that transfer their frustration to the band is just SO NOT CONSIDERATE. It's like saying it's justifiable that people should be angry with you because something bad and uncontrollable happens in your life and you don't look good now.
Baaaahh.

That's my thoughts exactly.. I'm just not good with expressing them or wording them

i think they'll definitely release something in 2009, i know he wants to keep writing because he says that's what bands do..

poor craig... WE LOVE YOU!!!

the article made it's way through to ninemsn too...

It's so great seeing how supportive everyone has been but I just don't understand why some people (not many but the ones that are, are vocal) are Craig-hating about this whole situation; it's like they want him to keep touring and touring and touring and it doesn't matter if the poor guy is on the brink of a breakdown as long as The Vines don't dissappoint the fans by cancelling some shows.

What would you prefer guys? seriously? a healthy-happy front man or another 2004 incident? I'm sure 99% of us think they have done the right thing rather than pushing him to the edge and go through another TripleM outburst

Yeah I understand you are dissappointed but I think it's a little silly to "question" whether you are fans or not because of something like this (seriously you don't become a fan of the Vines for a smooth ride )

I just feel so sad for Craig - I'm sure we all were a little concerned at how he was coping when they cancelled the Perth gig.