lol Craig didn't lose his voice and Vision Valleys budget was probably way lower than Highly Evolved and Winning Days so they probably had the bare essentials and some good microphones to use in the studio, plus no studio tools can make somebody sing their heart out. they probably didn't even have the luxury to use auto tune on Vision Valley.

When performing live back then he was probably nervous to be out in public again after all the shit that went down and felt like all eyes were on him.

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k. but yeah they can do shit in studios over and over again untill it sounds perfect... thats what i ment by making shit sound good but ok. and how the fuck do you know what their budgets were for capitol? some of that stuff was recorded over a year before vision valley came out. how would capitol know if they where going to do poorly on album sales.



ok. im sorry im not like 20 and know this shit but way to be really funny.

You don't have to be twenty to know you don't lose your voice from being chubby.

yeah i know

Yeah but you can't fix a voice if the singing isn't already there, there's only so much a producer can do, if the performance isn't there all he's doing is polishing a turd and Vision Valley wouldn't sound nearly half as good as it does if the performance wasn't there and they were relying on post production bells and whistles... Anysound and Futuretarded were meant to be demos they recorded for Vision Valley but never got re-recorded 'cause they thought they were perfect as they were so they appear on VV in demo form.

Listen to Winning Days then Vision Valley, you can hear how stripped back and organic sounding the sound is compared to the mainstream American shine that is all over Winning Days. That reveals the budget difference, Winning Days bombed, so Vision Valleys budget was cut. That's how it usually works in the music industry, only if the head of Capitol records wasn't a fan after the commercial failure of Winning Days they would have been dropped from the label instead of in 2007 when the head of Capitol records got kicked out after EMI (the owner of Capitol Records) got taken over by some billionare UK business man.

True that the head of capitol was a fan, but I think they got dropped after VV instead of after WD, because it would have looked very bad if they had dropped them straight after Craig had being diagnosed with Autism and was told he couldn't tour properly with his condition. Possibly even could of resulted in them being sued for discrimination, so there was no option but to release VV let it bomb and then drop them for poor album sales.

yeah thats true. thats so gay how just some guy with a lot of money can just buy a record company who probalby doesnt know a thing about decent music... or does he??? yeah i can defanatly hear a huge differance in wd and vv. and i didnt know wd did that bad on sales. i thought they sold way way more. but i do recall buying the album at best buy in 4th grade when it first came out and seeing a lot of cds there.

Highly Evolved: 64,000 copies in the first week, over 1.5 million altogether
Winning Days: 43,000 copies in the first week, about 600,000 copies altogether
Vision Valley: less than 8,000 copies in the first week, couldn't find an altogether figure

^^ and how about Melodia?

my god, Melodia was free on myspace in its entirity. that could have killed album sales, no? its not even in the USA yet ules you get it online

well, all i can feel, they maybe want us to keep our faith above everything. but thats too hard. who dont want a free The Vines album?

No way, just the large majority of their fanbase they aquired with Highly Evolved were indeed sheep like Craig branded them at their meltdown concert in 2004, So after the critics decided they weren't the cool band anymore they all jumped ship and stoppe buying their albums. Streaming an album on Myspace can increase sales because people can hear something in its enterity they might not have given a chance before. Myspace is low quality sound so no chance in hell it killed sales, even with dreadful iPod headphones you could hear how poor quality it sounds, Not only that you couldn't download the songs, just listen to them. They aren't on a major label anymore that's why the CD isn't easily available around the world.

I'm kind of glad that they're not on a major label anymore and then again i'm not.

label major or not, they still can make their songs, right? all that matter to me now is only to buy their expensive *for me* merch.

very true

I got into the vines after buying Melodia, then I bought some tracks off iTunes and then the Highly evolved CD. Now I'm an addict.

Somehow, I get into bands after the hype has gone, just to see if they're good or not. The Vines are one of them actually Plus the Strokes.

And I prefer indie labels over major labels Means that the artists can do whatever they like not what the executives tell them what to do

Melodia Is not aviable in spain,

and a question How are craig? is better?

try ebay or HMV online

and craig's heaps better. earlier on this thread some girl bumped into the bassist and told that he was doing better and are recording another album in the middle of this year

Thanks very much for the info

no problem

I'm glad to hear that Craig is doing better and that they are starting to work on a new album.

It seems to be that touring is more or less something which we won't see the vines do again- at least not in any conventional sense. We knew that since Vision Valley came out. It was highly risky to try and do it with Melodia methinks.

If the band is to continue, in my opinion, they need to start thinking outside the traditional box of record, tour, break record, ad nauseam. It simply can't be done. I also think it would be a mistake to resign them to being a studio band as it would require albums to be churned out regularly- potentially leading to them recording any old tosh that comes into their heads.

Here's how I think they should be playing things.

1. Test new material by playing small gigs in Sydney, or a little further afield if Craig REALLY is comfortable doing so. This will let them know what is good and what is for the cutting room floor. It will also generate a small amount of hype. Craig NEEDS to get over his secrecy thing and go with it. Perhaps come up with an alter ego for the band and tour as them- not foregone conclusion - something new.

2. Take the best of the crop and record it. Hopefully, playing it live will have given them the chance to mess with arrangements and see what parts of which songs work in which order, this will minimise studio time and thus cost. Mess with the concept of what an album is- I'm not saying do a greenday and release rock operas, I'm saying really think about how the album format can be used to their advantage.

3. Release album. Small, 3 or 4 night tours seem to be acceptable, so maybe give these a go if Craig is happy to do so at regular yet acceptable intervals. Grab any festival slots they can get their grubby hands on. Vines shows can be marketed as somewhat of a rarity and worth going to if they are consistently of a high standard.

3. a) The small UK tour back with VV seems to have been ok for Craig, it would be nice if - even if only once in an album 'season' - they managed a couple of nights in the UK and a couple in the US. Whether at SXSW or wherever.

4. Make the most of the internet and multi media- get them to do things like live at the wireless, channel V and so on. I know these opportunities will be hard to come by... but I honestly believe that music channels and radio stations (triple j) have a soft spot for the band and would fit them in if possible. Record in studio footage, intimate interviews and add it on to an in studio live show recorded in front of a small audience for DVD release. Myspace shows, anything broadcasted over the internet that means they don't have to travel very far yet get music out and about. Again, think outside the box and come up with a new way to use the internet which will grab attention- off the top of my head a website created simply for the purpose of broadcasting an acoustic gig, a one off, then gone- provided it is well publicised- easily done across facebook, bebo, myface, facespace, whatever.

5. Less time on the road means more writing time for Craig, more practice time for the band, and hopefully a stream of consistently high standard material.

6. Perhaps most importantly, throughout all this and beyond, keep the fucking fans updated. It's because of dreadfully sparse updates that people have no idea what is going on with the band and whether anything AT ALL is happening. Someone only needs to post something on the front page of the website for newspapers, NME or whoever to pick it up and at least post something about it.

Return to step one. Steps 1-6 need to kept within a 12-18 month timeframe to ensure regular turnover, and constant publicity.

What's important is that Craig is kept comfortable, that the band make the most of any and every opportunity the world of modern technology has to offer them to keep themselves bubbling away nicely like a fine stew, and let the world know that the vines are smart band, not afraid to try new things and take things in their stride. All the hard work since 2005 cannot go to waste.

^ what a long post. hahaha.

yeah. we all glad to hear he's doing fine now..
and we all waiting for the next album too.

and what tyler said is is true. craig have to stay comfortable! or they wot ever come to my hometown!

I've had another genius idea for the boys. It's so good I actually want to write to them personally and tell them about it. Can someone give me an address?

Winterman & Goldstein Management
PO Box 545
Newtown NSW 2042
Australia
Attn: The Vines

that is Craig is feeling better??it great!!

i saw on the ivy league myspace merrygoround was on the music player so i wonder if that will be the next single and if craig is well enough they may shoot a video...????

yay! next videooo!! m.. but it would be better if they choose manger or braindead..

or something slower..

yeah yeah!? whatever happened to the "next single" talks? It seems late to push a vid for merry go round?

i didnt say there was going to be a video for sure. i said maybe if craig is well enough. GOD THIS IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD!!! we havent heard a thing in 3 MONTHS! we need some kind if update from ivy league of someone...

let's call the ivy league.
anybody have the number?
i really need an update!!!

so this might be a little creepy of me but...
today i checked the vines' myspace, as i do everyday.
then i read some comments ( i do this less often )
anyway, some girl wrote:

"it was great meeting craig randomly at the bar last night
...you guys are awesome"

so if he's out at the bar he must be alright.

anyway, that made me smile.


lucky her.

yeahh.. i envy those who can encounter them.. i really want to too..

perhaps he was just drinking away the pain...

Brad Heald Has Joined THe Red Riders Playing Gutair Look On their myspace wonder if he will still be in the vines

indeed...it is interesting whether he will still be playing in the vines?

i wouldn't miss him if he left.
i vote to bring back patrick.
or just stick with ryan, craig, and hamish.

Well, considering that The Vines are sort of inactive lately, I'm not surprised that Brad is doing other things. I also don't think it necessarily means he's leaving the band. He's already in D'Arcy and has been in it for longer than in The Vines and somehow they managed just fine. He isn't the only band member in several bands, either - Hamish has also played with quite a few other bands, both as a full-time member and an occasional drummer, plus he runs a small company and still manages to show up at every Vines gig.


Yeah, because Patrick was so perfect for the band the first time around, right?

truee.. im mourning to his leave.. still..

thats bull shit about craig being at bars.if he is well enough to go out drinking he should be well enough for vines stuff. not gigs specifically... i wish people who where lucky enough to meet them would come on here and tell us what they found out with the band and such...

Damn. Can y'all hop off his nuts? He can go out if he wants. And he shouldn't feel bad about it.

uhhh i dont care that he goes out im just saying if he is going out and partying then the vines can do something...even just an update. and the other person said they where happy that he is well. other people where talking about patrick.

you would think they are some sort of angels
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