where are some pics of you misplacekeys ..you sound hot

Please go fapping over somebody else.

do not want

Oh, you.

it barely talks about the album with any constructive criticism. His problem with Autumn Shade 3 is about the idea of a trilogy, not about the music. It's just a badly written review without any serious substance to it at all. It wreeks of bitterness the bloke is clearly a failed musician.

!!!!!! Good news, can't wait for it!!

ok wtf?? http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=egoZDRNu55k&...feature=related
i know its been a long time since ive been here but am i missing something...? i remember there are some lyrics about an "Allie" in a girl i knew ......
our allie??

good to see that the comments being made about this review on the NME website are in a similar vein to on the forum. The Vines still seem to matter enough to people for them to call NME out when they've made a mistake. Good to see.

TBH, i think some of the people on this forum are biased. A few people have said the album is disappointing but then they seem to be excusing it and making allowances. It's just not as good as the last 3 albums, lets face it.


The Vines do matter, but you can't say NME have made a mistake just because YOU refuse to see that the album is poor compared to the last 3.

that's because i don't think it is.... I'm not making allowances. I do really like this album, and I honestly believe that it is a great effort and better than vision valley and maybe winning days. I wouldn't be a vines fan if I didn't like their music, would i?

*gasp* The last time I checked, this forum was "The Vines' official message board", of course people tend to be biased. So is the review, as you may find. The difference between people on this forum and the person that wrote the review is that the forumers aren't being paid to give an 'expert opinion' on the album nor do they try to come across as neutral outsiders that are fit to write a fair review.

See, that's *your* opinion and while I respect it, you can't expect everyone to see what is apparently so obvious to you.

alright fair enough, i didn't mean it to come out like that, but it's not just me who's said it's a bit of a disappointment. The reviewer gave his honest opinion, im finding it hard to find where he's biased?

all im saying is, they liked Vision Valley a lot (because it was a decent album ). they didn't criticise in spite of "past feuds/relations with the band".

And that makes it okay for them to slag them off for past feuds/relations with the band now? Oh yeah, I can see the logic in that! Only - not at all.

I wasn't saying that. my point was they raved about vision valley, but they aren't quite as fond of melodia. And seeing as a few people here have said it's a disappointment...it appears there's a connection. Melodia isn't quite as good as the past albums maybe...

Your logic is flawed. Vision Valley wasn't exactly unanimously greeted with confetti and flowers amongst the fans, yet - as you said - it was accepted better in NME.

as far as i could tell most people on the forum loved it. was there not a promotion competition? was there not a booky-doohicky thing? Was there not a section dedicated to vision valley? (i am aware that the mods are busy but still)
What's come out of this one so far? A few complaints about how disappointing and the rest of the forum complaining about a poor review in a newspaper.

Just because the forum was more active in terms of competitions back then than it is now, it doesn't mean VV was universally accepted as a godsend - in fact, I recall more 'Vision Valley is crap' wank than I've seen about Melodia.
But that's hardly the point. The point is that the review isn't just 'poor', it's ridiculous. There are three paragraphs of it, the first one talks about 'how we, the almighty NME, used to like them and are solely responsible for any success they ever enjoyed, but now we kind of hate them and would like to apologise for being nice to them', while the other two go on about that the songs are kind of short and too much like everything they've ever done so for that obvious reason we must all hate them, then assure us that "If this you think this sounds like us burying the hatchet into The Vines’ spinal cord, you’re wrong," which is ever so slightly reminiscent of the infamous "I'm not racist, but ..." statement. Seriously. A third of the review - printed in a music newspaper (about music, I'd normally presume) - goes on about how they just had a fascinating relevation about how the mentally imbalanced kid with a band used to be featured in their magazine a lot but now they're grown sort of tired of the whole lot of them.
Honestly, I thought they'd at least have the decency to apologise for the Kooks and Razorlight while they were at it.

if you recall, i did say that i didn't agree with some of the stuff nme printed.
But i do agree with "while the other two go on about that the songs are kind of short and too much like everything they've ever done".
And may i ask why a fair few of the songs start with the song title? It sounds amateurish, and they are capable of much more than that. The songs have no depth. They're just.... jingles.

That's ... nice.
That doesn't confirm or deny that it is utterly unprofessional, while it shouldn't have been.


I'm sorry? Why ... how on Earth does that have anything to do with quality of the songs?

EDIT- i could've written half them songs. >.>

I read that the first time you posted it, thank you, but my question still stands. How does the fact that the song titles match the lyrics of the songs make it amateurish?

Egg of Columbus all over again.

It appears i'm not allowed to quote my own comments. ho noes.

"Hey...what are you doing today" Oh how poetic.
"Orange amber in the sun" need i say anymore?
"On a merrygoround" :\ He's a 30something adult.

the album is starting to resemble a kid's disco album. They should have chucked in "the wheels on the bus go round and round" for kicks.

His lyrics have made very little sense or have been quite simple at times and I don't understand why it's suddenly become a problem now.


I didn't say that, you just didn't answer my question. Which, by the way, remains unanswered.

"I'm tearin holes without a sink," anyone?

Its a problem because in the last 3 albums, they had the music and diversity to compensate for the poor lyrics, but this is just.... NO. Get out sounds very similar to get free but without the punch, and the general rythmn of the songs are just dull. You can't deny the last albums were better.
When i saw that video on SxSW of them talking about the new album, i was expecting something really amazing. But it seems like a random album with loads of fillers and at a push, two good songs.
They haven't progressed or matured. If anything, they've gone backwards. And when you compare them to other bands... i mean, take Muse, i defy anyone to find another plug in baby, or new born, or starlight. They're very diverse and have progressed musically and lyrically over the years. I know They AREN'T Muse, but there's a reason bands like the vines haven't exactly made it huge and Muse have.

scuse the double post :\

Uh, why not? Again, not everyone sees or hears what you do and it's not blatantly obvious to me why you think Melodia is such a regression. But then again, I'm just a mere mortal.

Success has very little to do with quality. Have you seen the charts lately?

Also: the question was: "How does the fact that the song titles match the lyrics of the songs make it amateurish?" You just quoted a few lyrics and 'analysed' them. You dodged the question.

No, i said by using the lyrics at the beginning of the songs, it sounds amateurish and like kid's songs. Am i writing it in algebra or something?

And it should be obvious why i think it's a regression because i've just spent the last god-knows how many posts trying to explain that to you. I find it hard to believe* anyone thinks that Melodia is as good as VV, WD or HE. *Im not saying anyone can't btw. >.>

No, you just phrased it badly.

See, that's just the thing. You're very matter-of-factly declaring Melodia to be the worst Vines album to date without realising different people have, surprise, different opinions. It's one thing to have an opinion on an album, but it's a whole different thing to try to back it up with things like "there's a reason bands like the vines haven't exactly made it huge and Muse have," "You can't deny the last albums were better," "may i ask why a fair few of the songs start with the song title?" and so on. I told you why I don't think these sentences carry much weight.

1. read the asterisk.
2. At the very least you can hardly deny that Muse are bigger than The Vines.
If you wanna make excuses as to why Muse are bigger that The Vines, be my guest, but i think i'm not on my own in thinking of one general idea.

You can't start an argument on technicalities. You know full well what i mean. We're not all trained in perfect Internet Forum etiquette.

Because I'm sure he was literally talking about a merry-go-round. There's no way it had any figurative meaning. Who uses figurative language in music anyway? Pshh- no one.

Melodia is way better than Vision Valley....Vision Valley was god awful. Melodia is tolerable and on a good day, enjoyable

Why do you persist at saying that I, we, whoever are at fault for not seeing how Melodia is the weakest effort then?

Way to miss the point by a country mile. Muse are big, but so are many shitty artists, just look at the pop charts. The thing is, success does not equal quality - good promotion and timing are the main factors of 'being big'. If Muse didn't have a deal and played the same songs in a garage, would that make them a worse band?


I thought you couldn't start an argument on thin air before, and look at you.

yeah cause it's so obvious to everyone that it's figurative. Give that song to someone who doesn't know the vines and they'd say a 10-year-old wrote it.
And pray tell, what IS the figurative language?

Yes. Yes, it is.

Im not saying you're at fault, it's called DEFENDING myself. (Y)
And no it wouldn't make them a worse band, but the vines have already been discovered. And shocking, not many people want to listen to them. Most of the people i've tried to get into The Vines have said, quite bluntly "they're shit. Their lyrics are uninteresting and not very deep and the songs sound the same".
And lets not forget it's YOUR opinion that shitty artists are in the pop charts.
AND please tell me how im starting an argument on thin air? I believe i'm arguing my point that i think Melodia is pretty disappointing for a band who have such talent.


go on then. You're dodging the question...

ON A MERRY-GO-ROUND I think maybe he's talking about something other than being on an actual child's ride....like maybe the circular nature of life?

Maybe...Maybe... even you can't tell me EXACTLY what the figurative language is.

Okay, I'm about six miles away from ye ole sober side and my eyes are burning like Paris Hilton's crotch after a night out, but I did read the NME review and clearly they're idiots. You know, just in case the fact that they continuously feature bands like The Last Shadow Puppets wasn't enough of a clue.

I'd kind of lost my faith in The Vines, meaning essentially that I really didn't give a hoot what they were going to put out, but now that I've heard it I'm impressed, and given my outrageous sense of superiority, I will clearly want to impose this opinion on everyone else.

Also, just a gran' ole LAWL at the success=quality thing. WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE LEONA LEWIS TOPS THE CHARTS, YOU GITS. If anything, lack of mainstream success - despite the also quite present lack of payment - should be fucking praised to high heavens.

Uh, basically, shut up.

Tbf though, Leona Lewis is a good singer. She just doesn't appeal to everyone.

Haha...Even I! No but really, I didn't write the god damn song. Nobody can "EXACTLY" define any element of a piece of art...that's why it's art not math. There is no exact.

No but it proves that the figurative language isn't obvious to everyone, does it not?

IDENTIFYING figurative language is easy. INTERPRETING it is not.

I think your pulling at straws tbh. Yes, it probably does go deeper than just a merrygoround, but theres no emotion in the song to point it out. It's just a man... and a merrygoround? and a lot of yelling.


AND FOR THE RECORD
I like a couple of the songs (ironically, the ones that i see you lot don't) so im not saying it's the worst thing ever created in the history of music or w/e and I WILL listen to it.
It's just a disappointment. Craig can do better.

You should defend your argument rather than yourself. I'm not attacking you, I'm challenging your position.
Also, this:
"they seem to be excusing it and making allowances. It's just not as good as the last 3 albums, lets face it."
"YOU refuse to see that the album is poor compared to the last 3."
"You can't deny the last albums were better."
is not defending your opinion, it's a way of saying that I, we, whoever are wrong and blinded.

Exactly. And it's your opinion that Muse are better than The Vines, which you tried to prove by saying they're bigger. I've told you - twice - why that's not the way it works.

You haven't managed to back it up with anything remotely relevant so far.

What question? Oh, that snarky remark was a question? I'd never have guessed! Figurative language is a poetic form that uses words in a way that shouldn't be interpreted in a literal sense. As such, MerryGoRound is a school example.

The only thing she does is oversing. I could make my voice go all twirly and howly and I'd be a 'good singer' according to regular standards as well. I won't get started on the actual music, since... you know.

OKAY. am i allowed to rephrase? YOU can't deny the last albums were good. You wouldn't be a vines fan otherwise. I, PERSONALLY just think that Melodia is not up to standard (maybe i have too high standards).
It's not my opinion that Muse are better than the vines. For a while, i preferred them to Muse. It's just obvious (TO ME) that Muse are generally better lyrically, musically and live...ly. 0_o

Talk about your snark remarks. I am fully aware of what figurative language is, i did my GCSE in English lit. thank you very much.
You've still dodged the question, please, as if ive never heard the song before, explain what the figurative language in merrygoround is, because i honestly am not seeing anything. It's just... nonsensical words and a rythmn.