Does anyone know what is the exact model of these fender guitars?

And I'd like to know if they are made in usa or in mexico considering he destroys all his guitars lol







Thanks!

both are american fender stratocasters....


other than that im not sure. I can probably find out the name of the arctic white one. well the year of it anyways.
but yeh both are american! (i think! lol)

Yeah they're american...they're way more glorious than Mexican unfortunately i can speak from experience =(

Hmmm if you know something about the year and the name pls let me know

Thanks in advance!



Do mexican fender guitars suck? Tell me about the differences between usa and mexican fender pls.

I have a black and white squier (looks like craig's fender) and I'd like to replace it.

Thanks mate!

depends how much u wana spend!
the name is stratocaster, the only difference in names is the year of design theyre based on.

I have a arctic white fender strat like craigs, altho mine has a heavier neck and is slitely heavier (u wud have difficulty swinging it around as much as craig dus).. mine cost £600!

The white one looks like it could be a Fender deluxe stratocaster but I'm just basing that on looks.

The white one is definitely a MEXICAN fender strat... they have the name Fender written in silver with a black outline. An American strat has the name Fender on the headstock written in solid black.

I own a Mexican strat and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them, hell i'm pretty sure Craig uses his white one on every song on Melodia just like he does live. If you ask me having played an American and Mexican strat there is basically no difference except the price. It's a lot like if you choose to buy a BMW car... you're paying for the name, only with Fender you're paying for the illusion that the guitar is better cause it has Made in America on it. You know why the Mexican strats are cheaper? Mexican employees get payed less than their American counterparts. The Squiers however are horrible. Craigs arctic white Strat was probably made in 2005 since it started appearing around 2006 during the Vision Valley era.



cost? $849.00 (AUS)

there's not a chance in hell they recorded all of melodia with just that strat- Rob is a big vintage guitar fanatic- he loves using them in recordings and for sure they will have made it onto the record. I'm sure there will be plenty of pictures on the new website to back me up.
I can't for the life of me understand why he's using a mexican strat... I mean, they're fine and all.. but for a professional musician I don't think they can deliver the goods as well as an american. There's a part of me that wishes he didn't use strats at all.

Yeah there are other guitars on the album, but Craigs guitar parts will all have been most likely the same Strat.

Ryan doesn't play strats and Rob is ripping it up on Orange Amber with a 12 string.

It delivers fine for their style of music they never were wanky musicians like Guns and Roses for example. I think it delivers just as good as the American, Craig tears it up on it live. American shit is overrated. Mexico is connected to America if im not mistaken you can drive there.

I think Craigs guitar choice reflects his personality... down to earth, simple and straight to the point. Strats rock.

If it were my call, I would advise him to give up on the strats, he needs a much bigger sound. No matter what you put them through, those single coils always sound tinny as hell. Craig's tunes require humbuckers to really phatten out the sound- he was on the right line with the TV Jones' he had in the Spalt and Scala. Shame that guitar was ugly as fuck.

I also resent a lot of his pedal choices. He might not care that much about a lot of his tone and stuff... but I think its ridiculous that he plays with little more than a schoolboy's bedroom rig.

sorry but your wrong!
I have an american fender strat and it has the silver writing with the black outline!!!

It would be unusual for Craig to be playing a mexican, but maybe.

Hmmmm in this website there are many images (taken by Lizzy Lane) about Craig with his artic white fender.

Craig pics

If this Lizzy Lane could give us a closer pic of the guitar we could solve the mistery if he uses mexican or usa fender and maybe by the serial get the kind of model he use.

It will say whether its a mexican or american on the head of the guitar, just under the fender logo

Well all the ones ive seen in Australian music shops here made in America have Fender written in black.

I don't think it's unusual at all, he apparently used to play squier bullets from time to time during the Highly Evolved era live. I don't know why Craigs guitar choices are such a shock to people i thought it woulda been obvious by now he was a no frills kinda guy. Also having seen that white Strat up close at the myspace secret gig im pretty sure it is definitely Mexican.



Ahh really

the pickup switch must have been invented as an illusion, allowing 2 single coils to be used simultaneously if you choose to. Which is basically what a humbucker is doing. The Vines aren't metal.

given that Craig professes about being a perfectionist and more recently a workaholic, and how much he loves music I'm surprised he isn't more of a tone junky. He might be a no frills kinda guy, but I don't believe that applies to his love for music at all.

Saying that humbuckers are for metal illustrates a certain naivity on your part. Humbuckers have a reputation for providing a phatter sound for a reason my friend, using 2 single coils at once really doesn't achieve the same thing at all. I honestly can't believe you are saying that. While two is better than one, it's having two in the same place in relation to the strings that makes a difference. At the end of the day- strats may have great playability- the tone is average at best compared to some of the guitars out there (given a decent amp of course). If you don't buy any of this- Mr Custom Gretsch White Falcon is waiting to prove you wrong.

i don't think he needs to be a tone junky his tone sounds fine to me. i wasn't saying that they were for metal just saying i don't think he needs to fatten up his sound. i know it doesn't but you can still achieve a fat sound using 2 single coils at the same time. Ryans playing a guitar with a humbucker so Craig using single coils is a good contrast. i've heard the good old White Falcon tons of times during the years because it is featured on every album by The Living End. I still prefer the sound of a Strat however and im sure many people do to, including Craig by the sound of things so in the end the whole tone thing is subject to personal preference.

My Falcon is modelled on Chris' '99 6136. I've got one of his customs on order too.

It might be a personal preference.... but I'm saying that Craig could sound better. I'm not saying dump the strat for every song, I'm saying some songs need that phatter sound. His tone sounds tinny at times, and his distortion sounds compressed and generic- by my standards, that is not fine. If they play songs like animal machine at the moment, compare how that sounded in the winning days era to how it sounds now. The guitars at least sounded way better back then. That strat-o-sonic was a great sounding guitar and I'm sorry he stopped using it- same for the spalt and scala.

However, it has been nice to hear that Craig has become slightly more experimental with his pedals by making more use of his tremolo and flange pedals than I'm used to.

EDIT- and the falcon doesn't feature on all the TLE albums, it's certainly not on Hellbound, I don't think it's on The Living End either as he was using his country gentleman and his annie back then. I think you'll find the 6126CC was more of a feature on white noise than the falcons were if used at all.

Sweet. I dunno the distortion sounds fine to me. Well if anything i think the sound of Animal Machine on Winning Days has a lot to do with the huge budget they had after the monster success of Highly Evolved and well done eqing in the production process. It sounds good but i don't think it's that huge of a difference between then and now. He probably just got sick of using those guitars, Maybe he'll bring them back later this year on tour?

Yeah he has actually he did some cool sounding effect work using pedals on True As The Night live and it sounded awesome but it's not on the album version.

Well Hellbound is an EP, but self titled i assumed he used one cause the one on the back cover looks like a Falcon but judging by the cost of them i doubt he did use one back then he wasn't loaded til their success. Well one shot on the Making of White Noise dvd shows him recording with a 6136 if im not mistaken (don't really know much about Falcons just they are his guitar of choice). But there were definitely other guitars sitting on guitar stands in the background.

Distortion should be crisp and defined. His sounds like a cheap boss pedal being played through a nice amp- which is essentially what it is. All boss pedals, digitech pedals, zoom pedals etc all sound really fake and compressed and just bleh. It's fine for the amateur musician, but Craig can and should do better. It might not make that much difference to the average listener, but it adds so much to the overall sound when mixed in with the other guitars and the drums. Essentially, a change as minimal as that can make the difference between an overall mix which sounds really undefined and like a mass of dirge, and a well defined band. They sound good at the moment, but they could sound amazing with a few small changes.

I'm talking about their live sound here- not the mix on any of their albums- no matter whether they had a big budget or not highly evolved and melodia were recorded in the same studio and by the same producer so the albums should sound similar in sound. EQing has little to do with anything here given that- Schnapf wouldn't have done a half assed job on the mixing deck- that's simply not how a producer works. They may have spent less time doing it, but that means very little in the long run.

The back cover of the self titled TLE album is one of his two annies, not a falcon. The recording of white noise was dominated with the use of the 6126CC, although I'm sure the falcons may have been used a little. The SOE tour saw a marked preference for his SSLVO and his power tenny and the falcons had become used less and less (in spite of a clear love for them shown by the tatoo on his left arm). They aren't so much his guitar of choice any more I'm afraid- especially since he got the custom made. I'm sure they'll still appear from time to time given their iconic status associated with him, but I think from now on we'll see less and less of them, perhaps once or twice a set if that.

I like the crappy overdrive pedal craig uses.
Back in the HE days when they were much more of a garage band, the sound was cool and right for their style.
It was fuzzy and messy and just made thier whole performance sound soo raw!

whatever he was using on Rove sounded awful. Just awful.

Craig use a Boss MT-2 Metal Zone, a Boss Super Chorus and a Boss TU-2 Tuner, He don't have a FLANGER pedal, Ryan has a FLANGE PEDAL.

Craig Nicholls has always used the same pedals, a Boss MT-2 Metal Zone, Boss CH-1 Super Chorus & a Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner Sice Highly Evolved days. He always change the MT-2 settings.
Does anyone knows what amplifier he use on MELODIA TOUR ?

He uses a "Sunn" Amplifier, I'm not sure which model. And I've never used one.

I wish he went back to his Marshall....or maybe even switched it up with a Fender Twin or something.

And as for the Strat.......I miss his Green whatever the name of guitar. It was so awesome. It sounded great.

actually, he does have a flanger, he also has a tremolo too. I seem to remember seeing a photo of his pedal board at some point and there being something else besides a boss dist. pedal, though by the sound now I'd say he's only using boss.

Is he still using the Sunn? I thought he had switched again though I haven't been paying much attention.

The green guitar was a custom built for him and is called a spalt and scala (www.garageguitars.com)

The Boss DOS-1 and DOS-2 pedals are actually pretty legendary in the rock music industry and are, along with the Pro Co RAT and Electro-Harmonix Big Muff, among the finest distortion/overdrive pedals you will find.

how can you even begin to compare the EHX big muff to the Boss DOS pedals? seriously?
How many times do I have to point out how compressed all the Boss pedals sound? they sound so so awful and generic. Saying that they are the finest you can find is..... unbelievable.

I'd say the only reason Boss pedals have 'legendary' status is because they're the distortion pedal that every bedroom guitarist will have, they're cheap and for that reason a lot of people have them. But seriously, you can do infinitely better: I'd say that the Klon Centaur is a fine example, the seymour duncan twin, tube screamers, Fulltone Fulldrives, HBE power screamer, TC electronic pedals, MXRs etc.... they're more pricey for a reason- they're much better pedals.

I dont rememver mentioning a flanger??!?


But saying that im sure he said he used one... maybe for the vocals or something?
The guitar on the song Highly Evolved definately uses flanger.

According to this he does use flange, near the end of the video they ask him what kind of gear he uses, he mentions Tremolo and Flange.

http://videobeta.aol.com/video/the-vines-e...terview/1126757

And of course later on the chorus came along which gave the Spaceship solo a different sound live.

Er...because I own both




Two words: Kurt Cobain.

Maybe they just sound shitty through your equipment?

then you must be fuckin deaf, chief, because those two pedals are so different I can't understand how you can't hear a difference in quality between them.

OH MY GOD, KURT USED IT SO IT MUST BE AWESOME.
I've got 2 words for you: Chris Cheney. Compare the two and if you try and tell me kurt sounds better then I can safely conclude that you either don't have ears or no idea what you are talking about.

I have an awesome set up with an excellent amp and top drawer guitars, and compared to the pedals I have on my pedal board the DS2 sounds like absolute gash. It's trebbly, it's compressed and it's got so much muddyness and lack of clarity I wouldn't give it to a busker to play on the streets.

craigs white guitar is the $599 one. i have the same exact kind but in black. i also have a shit fender called a bullet but its exactly the same as the other one but its just doesnt sound that good through some amps. its the arctic white color as well.

Fact is that some pedals/amps sound better with certain guitars. Not knocking your set-up. It's kindof obvious though, that just because a Boss pedal sounds shit through your guitars and amp, doesn't mean its going to sound like that through everyone elses!

And I only mention Kurt to make the point that the DOS-1 and DOS-2 pedals can, in the right circumstances, sound pretty fuckin amazing. For what its worth though, I personally prefer the BigMuff because its much more versatile and makes my Big Apple Strat sound incredible.

BOSS pedals sound fine... Every sound is a series of compressions and all distortion is basically clipped signal!

Chris Cheney and Kurt Cobains sound cannot be compared its 2 very different styles of music.

I love the sound Kurt had, in the studio and live. It was raw to the point, direct and in your face.

Gear wars are stupid cause its always down to opinion, just because it cost less doesn't mean it ain't good. At the end of the day you can have the best equipment, doesn't mean your music ain't shit... just look at Creed.

Chris Cheney's sound is also due to his amp being mic'd up with 2 microphones during recording. Live his sound is thinner. I've seen TLE live alot.

You can compare the two in this discussion as my gripe is about the clarity of distortion. Distortion should be crisp and clear. Not muddy. It can be raw without being a muddy dirge.

Chris' sound has little to do with there being 2 mics, he uses wizard amps which are simply fuckin' incredible, he chops and changes between marshall and wizard cabs. He hooks the amps up to a hotplate so the tubes are being driven proper hard. Recently he hasn't used so much distortion, but when it is used it's currently a seymour duncan drive pedal. His guitars are a whole other story. Listen to the festy hall DVD, hell, listen to anything they've done since 2006, his tone is simply perfect.

I think it's also fair to point out that Matt Bellamy can manage heavily distorted tones without them sounding like murky drivel. The tone is well balanced without sounding too trebbly.

Yeah i have that dvd but i was at the night it was recorded and it didnt sound as good as it does on the DVD. The performance was great but on the DVD it is obvious to me that the audio has been touched up with some effects to enhance the overall sound. Festival Hall doesn't really sound that great.

"Murky drivel" is the sound he was after. Matt also has the advantage of living in a time when effects are now better then they were during Kurts life time. Not that it matters cause Nirvana with "good distortion" would suck. Different strokes for different folks i guess. The way i see it though all 3 of these great musicians you mentioned all have their own unique sound that is their own so i can't even begin to imagine how boring every guitarist would be if they had "crisp and clear distortion" and sounded just like Chris Cheney.

You're onto a loser with this one dude. To say distortion has to be this or that is completely missing the point.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion. But that's all it is - an opinion, just like mine!
Personally, I don't agree with your definition of what makes a good distortion pedal. I like a crisp, clean tone but I can also appreciate a sludgy, muddy sound played on a detuned guitar (Negative Creep). Its horses for courses I'm afraid.
And i'm not into this "so and so's sound is better than so and so's." It's juvenile.

then why make the kurt cobain point?

the reason distortion has to be crisp is so that the overall mix remains clear. If you have muddy guitars, that lends to a muddy mix. Obviously this is less of a problem if you are in a three piece band where there are less instruments to cloud the mix. Personally, I think Negative Creep sounds shit. Nirvana had so many better songs. But like you say it's all a matter of taste. The DS2 is trying to be an anything and everything pedal, and the result of that is that while it might have a huge range of sounds, it doesn't have a hotspot where it sounds incredible. It all sounds mediocre.

Either way, my original argument still stands, Craig's tone needs work.

don't trivialize my argument, I'm not saying everyone should sound like Chris Cheney. I'm saying there's better pedals out there than your standard boss pedal. Fuck it, if it's murky distortion you want then get a zvex fuzz factory, or get a tube driven blackstar. They do the job so much better.

Craig's guitars just don't jump out of the mix like they should. They sound distant and unbalanced. If he wants raw, then fine, do it: but do it properly.

You have some brass neck Tyler - telling Craig Nicholls and (the ghost of) Kurt Cobain that their distortion is shit, LOL.

it's an opinion dude, just like everything else on here. I'm just willing to back it up.
Is everyone else on here a brass necker for telling people what they think of the vines' music?

I'd have to second the Idea that It's a MIM strat. I feel this way because looking at the head stocks of MIM Strats and Americans my friends have, It defiantly looks Mexican, because of all the "extra" info that is on there. Although who knows It may very well be an American. but since hes destroys them, they may just be Mexicans since they are cheaper and can get the job done (maybe American guts in there?)

i wouldnt mind a black and white fender..they look pretty cool

SAME. 100% agree with you there. i think the pedals on Vision Valley and Melodia are too generic maybe? errr just dont fit the music maybe. ive said it in other threads of this forum but straight up bring back the old guitar sound !!!!!! garage band style shit pedals all the way.

also, in response to this actual thread instead of all the tangents... I just recently found photos of craig using a black and white Fender Stratocaster 50's reissue in the HE days. I'm guessing it's the 1999 50s reissue which was a lot of pepople seemed to have bought. it has a maple neck as do the rest of the 50s reissues. Awesome guitar!!! It's Made in mexico but plays feels and sounds like an american. I play a jazzmaster and I'm considering trading it in for this MIM strat. NO JOKE.

i've got flanger, mad reverb, and chorus on my amp. i hate amplifier distortion but the rest of the shit works for me. mt 2 metal zone is decent though.... slash i really fuckin hate spam cause i end up commenting on old threads. i suppose i should pay more attention, then again FUCK SPAMMERS.

Yep the artic white is a fender stratocaster standard, mexican.

The mexican version has 21 frets

and the guitar serial in the pic is MZ7