Is it just me or does Patrick > Brad?

Patrick > Brad.

I'll have to wait and hear more of Brad's work with the vines atm i've only heard a few songs

If you've heard one; you've heard them all.

Brad > Patrick

Brad also seems cooler, like all i remember from when Patrick was in the band is his constant whinging about things to do with the band to the media, then his supposed best friend gets diagnosed with aspergers and he bails on him for a mediocre pop rock group. Hamish took more shite then Patrick, i mean his drum kits are always trashed but he stayed in the band. Patrick also was obviously jealous that Craig had all the attention from the press. You woulda thought after Craigs diagnosis though it would've made sense for Patrick all the crazyness and he coulda worked around it like the other guys and started a fresh.

"There was no fun in the Vines for me. I should have quit ages ago, but people were being employed. It was a business. You just can't leave."

Seesh what a bitter guy he was in one of Australias biggest groups for 2 years and had it all but still didn't find any fun. He used to seem cool. Hope he enjoys being in a band whos biggest hit is a cover.

BRAD FTW!!!

Even though its not a real indication of skill (I'm no bassist so I'm at a loss to give an opinion on that sort of thing anyway), but I chose Brad because I notice his bass work more. There's more of a groove to it, and it seems to compliment the songs better...what few I've heard him play on of course

And I agree with borgy...Pat was kind of a bitch about everything.

I'm glad he's gone...I dig Brad a lot more. I should cut his face out and put it over Pat's on my Vines poster.

Very true. Pat seemed to have major ego issues when it came to Craig. Perhaps, vice-versa. Stubborn juvenile behavior ensued. I think they had their good days, and their bad days, but ultimately the band just seems happier without Patrick. I don't want to knock Youth Group, they're not my taste, but they'll all be tied together somehow, YG/Vines and they all get along now, so its all good. Everyones happy. I am just super happy that everyones happy. HUGS EVERYONE!

How can Brad's basslines have more "groove" than Patrick's? Are you aware that Brad just root notes? That means, he just plays the EXACT same thing that Craig and Ryan play. Patrick's bass lines were a lot more technical than Brad's. Give me an example of Brad's best work and I'll give you an example of Patrick's best work and then try to come back and tell me that Brad has more "groove". Moron.

God, not this again.

The fucking record isn't even out.

You're right; I apologise. After all, the bassline in "He's a Rocker" sounds extremely difficult.

Well Inshallah if we take your opinion of "if you've heard one you've heard them all" and compare the one studio version song Brad has played on vs 2 albums that Patrick has we would be fairly limited when it comes to making a fair comparison.

So lets just take that huge factor and put it to the side and lets think logically here. Patrick apparently put stress of Craig therefore he put stress on the band and their song writing abilities and touring and all that fun stuff.

So does Patricks amazing bass lines equal out the drama he brought ?

You're right, the problems in the band had nothing to do with Craig's AS. They were all because of Patrick. Are you kidding? Do you honestly believe anyone other than Craig was at fault for all the tension between The Vines?

That's irrelevant as he still caused problems, unless your suggesting Craig should have been the one that left?

I don't think I even hinted towards that? I think it's a bit unfair to blame Patrick for the tension between The Vines. I mean, you're all too quick in forgetting the fact that Craig was the one with a disorder that actually made him anti-social..? How, exactly, was Patrick the problem?

Yeah i understand that it wasn't all Patricks fault and it was mainly Craigs fault but what im saying is one of them had to leave to benefit the band because the confliction that was there seemed unresolvable.

Ask yourself this whats better for the band to have a bass guitarist thats good but causes confliction (even if its all Craigs fault) or a bass guitarist that is pretty good (at least imo) and gets on great with Craig.

If I was the band's manager, I would've told Craig to grow up and get on with it. If Craig didn't cause tension, The Vines would be great. Instead, they've now got some below-par bassist who couldn't scale to save himself. Great.

Brad is a great bassist he doesnt just play root notes. I saw them last week live at that Myspace secret show and alot of his bass work stuck out in my ear drums on the new songs. I don't care how "simple" it is technical wankery sounds shit 99% of the time. Patrick wasn't super technical anyway, when you say Patrick all that comes to mind is the bass riff on "Factory" and "She's Got Something to Say to Me" cause he co-wrote it.



Yeah telling someone with a condition they have no control over to grow up is really gonna work wonders. I don't know if you've noticed but since Craig got treatment The Vines are one of the tightest live bands going around and they all seem in a good place now.

Then I seriously hope you never manage a band. I've never been a huge Brad enthusiast as a bassist but I don't think he's below-par. He's definitely not making the band worse?

Patrick and Craig on the other hand OBVIOUSLY couldn't get over their egos well enough to be in the same band.

I'd also like to point out since the Vines started rehearsing they've become a better band. I don't think its solely because of craigs treatment/diagnosis.

lol I love how I readily admitted that my opinion was crap and had no knowledge of bass and yet you still felt the need to ream me on my ignorance. I hope that felt gooood!

And this shows you have absolutely no sense of what Asperger's Syndrome is like.

Isn't it fun to talk out of your ass on subjects you don't know shit about?

I totally agree
As i notice brad's basslines more i prefer him to pat.

Bringing all the shite about criag's disorder was kinda irralivent.

Yeah, it was like debating with a brick wall to that dude.

you can say stuff about all kinds of shit, but eventualy you don't know how pat would have reacted if he did know about craigs disorder.

brad's in the band, patrick is in youth group. fine by me

Youth Group > The Vines.

Woow strong statement.

But You're Wrong.


The Vines > Youth Group..

I think inshallah IS patrick.. and he's just bitter that they don't
want him back because of his atrocious singing and goofy haircuts.

Haha. Rumbled.

@ "goofy haircuts"

I don't even agree that was just so fuckin out of left field...

:-p wanted to make my first post a lol

Nice to know you feel that way.

It's you.

god this is a gay argument

thank you

Well you were a success, at least to me

Patrick v. Brad, Youth Group v. The Vines...

You can break it down to bass playing technique, but you can't really say Patrick is over and above > Brad or vice versa. - it's all subjective. Party pooper post or what?

I don't think Patrick brought soo much to the band musically that he couldn't be replaced. Craig is the main writer and a talented one at that.




Also, Patrick was a pre-med student, as well as, Craig's roommate and didn't pick up on Craig's condition?? Then after Vision Valley he made some not so nice remarks about him personally even after his diagnosis. Apparently he has the compassion of a doorknob. I can understand him leaving, but not making those remarks.


You have no knowledge of AS and must have as much compassion as Patrick.

Then feel free to post this on the YG board where I don’t visit.

Brad is a better singer than Patrick, other than that I can't really tell the difference. They're both good bassists as far as I can tell (granted I know nothing about bass guitar ), Brad plays well live, so does Patrick. I don't think the swap has made any difference to the music.

Brad is a much better singer than Patrick.
I was watching him last night, and he didn't appear to be root noting that much at all.



To be fair, medicine has nothing to do with the diagnosis of AS. Especially since he was premed and never really finished the degree.

Even psychologists have trouble picking up on the condition if they're not familiar with it. It often gets misdiagnosed as ADD with comorbid depression or anxiety, etc. or some other behavioural problem that's better known.

I think they both got a nice groove going on...I don't know much about bass, I play guitar, so I guess I can't exactly judge.

But I agree with what Joey said...it's kinda hard to make a comparison as to who is better when it really is just things are different.

It seemed that Patrick was an asshat!

Patrick is a way better singer than Brad. Brad is....well his voice doesn't go well with Craigs. As far as bass playing, i lean more toward Patrick mostly cause his had more of a...well i dunno i just like it better than Brad's. If you compare some of the bass playing off their first album to that of their first album with Brad you might lean towards Patrick. I'm for Patrick but mostly cause i've been a fan since the begining.

id like to state listening to Melodia Brad has OWNED! the creator of this thread. He very rarely plays root notes. He's the best bassist the Vines have ever had. Zing.

This is a hard one.
I've always liked patrick, but i think im going to say brad > patrick
nothing vines related i just think brad is way nicer.
Met him at a melbourne show at the bar and he was friendly and not up himself!
Pat on the other hand wasnt the nicest when i said hi at a pub in sydney.
(i got really drunk after and called him a traitor , yeah im a shit fan girl)

Details.

Just at the townie and walked past him at the table with the front guy from youth group. well im pretty sure it was him, and i said hi pat!!! and had a little twinkle in my eye (i thought i did)
and he just looked down at his beer and said nothing.
me and my friends were playing trivia and i was a bit drunk mumbling traitor...traitor... and i walked past later on and just yelled it.

lulz

He gave no response?

no.
he just sat there.
funny thing we should be talking about this, he was at the pub last night with about 5 girls. lolololo!

Brad>>>>>>Patrick

Need I say more?

I rose from the dead to express my agreement with this. I still mourne over Patrick from time to time.