I searched 'The Vines' but there was nothing. So I tried 'The Vines - He's a rocker' and it came up with He's a rocker EP. It has the title track plus 2 others called 'Hey Now' & 'Blue Jam'. Don't know if it will be availible everywhere or only Australia i-tunes. Enjoy...

Cheers for the info!

new single out tomorrow.
STILL no new website. Fucking atrocious marketing. I can't begin to tell you how fucking angry this makes me at W&G for fucking this up. It's simply not good enough. I could rant on about this for hours....
We shouldn't be tolerating this people- the band are the ones who are going to be hurt by this.

Care factor... The Vines popular or not, does it matter? I like them, and they are still making records. A couple of years ago it seemed like there wouldn't be any more records/songs/vine(s). Plus you should cut W&G and Ivy League some slack. Ivy league are an indie label. The truth of the matter is The Vines could play pretty much well any place on Earth, (and Mars from what I hear), to 100 people and they wouldn't need day jobs.
I get your point that there could be more hype around it. But that is what it would be, 'hype'. They will earn respect by keeping up the live shows which are great. It may not be instant but it has a lot more substance that the hype money buys.
And didn't they say they had some record labels (major) in the studio to hear the new stuff? As weird as this may sound to some people, but maybe The Vines don't want to be on a major label. I think Ham said something ages ago about having better relationships with the Ivy League guys anyway. Also, I'm no number-punching-person but maybe they can make more money without a major label. (If money is your reason for being upset).

I think his just pissed off because the vines came out saying "we have a new take over the world" approach. So obviously you would expect everything to be immaculate working well and ontime. However in the real world that doesn't happen. Who knows maybe the person who was hired to upload the new website had to attend an urgent family matter or something.

If they don't have a website out by the time the album releases then yeah that would be pretty shitty heh but i guess the only thing we can do is wait and see what they have in store for us.

If you want the vines to continue to make albums then they have to be commercially viable entity no matter who they are signed to. At the moment no one seems to know that they have a new single out tomorrow, no one in the UK is aware of an album coming this way. If there's no promotion, there's no notable album sales, if there's no album sales then radio, TV, internet etc won't pick up on how good the album is and the result will be that people who would have attended their live shows will be unaware of their existence and not attend, making the vines live shows almost a null entity. This is about them having the recognition that they deserve after the recent years of backlash- and if the album is as good as they say it is, then it needs to be publicised well.... and that ain't happening at the moment. The starting point is the website and they haven't even gotten that right. I'm mad for the band's sake, not for their wallets, or about their mass popularity, but for them getting the respect and recognition they deserve.

Ivy League might be an indie label, but in the modern media world, creating and designing a website doesn't take 4 months. It's a missed opportunity as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed on all accounts.

I just downloaded the single, and woah the b-sides are really heavy for The Vines, love it .

my itunes doesn't come up with it in search probably because i'm in NYC :

^ It'll be on iTunes tomorrow. The US one hasn't been updated yet.

Although, I had to search when I read the recent posts on the thread just to make sure it didn't appear early.

Damn straight i can't believe some people don't understand this. After Winning Days and the whole backlash The Vines lost alot of fans and Vision Valley is a testament to that sales wise. So they need good promotion to get them back in the public eye. Everything you said is right on the money.

Since im not allowed to post copyrighted material for sale... here are a few reasons why you should avoid buying this release from iTunes...

* All the songs are copy protected with D(igital)R(ights)M(anagement)
* This means they are useless on an mp3 player
* The songs are low quality (128kbps)
* The low quality makes Hamish sound like he's playing under water
* The low quality makes using someone as good as Rob Schnapf pointless
* The low quality takes away the punchy sound from the songs
* 11 cents from each song sold goes to the band -- divide that by 4
* Apple and Ivy League take the rest of the profit

I'm pretty sure international users can go to the Australian itunes home page. At the bottom of your itunes home page there should be a "my store" tab and a choice of lots of different countries.

I downloaded it early this morning Craig's screams are incredible in Blue Jam!


yes I understand this, and will be buying the physical copy of it too once it's out.

I can't find it on my itunes and its the 3rd. Does it come out in the US

The Vines will be 'comercially viable' for a while just through the other albums. I agree they could have done more with the website. But what about word of mouth? There was little to no promotion around Vison Valley but people started talking about them again after Splendour & BDO. If they keep the live shows up to the BDO standard for the next 12 months they will be kicking down peoples doors.(Metaphoricly).
Plus those 'fans' that are disinterested won't simply think "Oh a new album, I'll check it out!" It will be after they hear about a live show. Haven't most of there gigs of late sold out?
"If the album is as good as they say it is" As artists the band have the right to say the album is their best, but it would be stupid to give it to reviewers, then the recognition is in their hands.
Plus if they wrote this when they didn't have a record label, and a major one to boot, then this music has got to be the free-est one they have been able to do since the first.

well you could try itunes Australia.
The Vines myspace just posted a blog about it, and this is the link:
iTunes Australia

it still wont let me buy it, fucking hate living in U.S

Oh and thank you tho

It's on the front page of the Australian Itunes too heh nice!

can anyone do anything so that we can hear the songs as well??? PLEASE!!!! cause it doesnt work for me either...

i just read its not allowed...*_*

i heard the samples to the b sides. and i love hey now. i think that song should have made it to the album. it's a really good track. and i think it would have gotten really out there. especially as the first single.

That's exactly what I thought!
It would have definately made a great single.....but it was not to be.

I hate that even for b-sides uploading isn't allowed.

Some of us don't have the privilege to afford these things, people!

The b-sides are alright nothing special though in my opinion.

so it's june 3rd in the US, has been for half the day...still not on itunes...oh well guess we have to wait for the physical copy

oh the songs are great !

edit: actually, I don't care, cause itunes can kinda go fuck itself.

I will find other ways...

same here

ah i know, this sucks

At the very least it'd be nice if the b-sides were on myspace or somethin...I'm such an impatient little twat lol

Ok, who wants to send these to me?

ok, so
someone, not necessarily someone here and I am in no way advocating online music theft, uploading, sharing etc., but someone should hack the iTunes download and get the songs up on Limewire or in a torrent.

And then maybe post the torrent at Fuk Yeh because we don't have these silly rule things you speak of.

it's the silly rules we speak of that ensure the band will make some money for their work and keep recording in the future. if the band wanted or could afford to give their songs away for free, like radiohead, don't you think they'd do it? alas...they're no radiohead.

look, i live in the u.s. so i don't have access to purchasing the EP and listening to the b-sides either...sucks for me. the problem is they don't have a u.s. deal yet - blame the labels here for that, but don't try to screw the band over for it and go sharing their music for free all over the internet.

maybe we can sway mgmt to make the b-sides available for streaming via their myspace in a couple of weeks after they've had some time to sell via australian iTunes.

woah woah
note the tongue-in-cheek tone of my post!
fact is their music will end up for free on the internet somewhere, and listening to it now does not mean not buying the itunes EP when it is available or not buying Melodia or concert tickets or merch.

In other news, good article in the new Rolling Stone about how album sales are kicking the bucket as the way for bands to make money and measure success.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rLxTpsIVzzo

thanks for that babe <3

Are they going to release the single on vynil? Id like to buy it even if I have to buy it online.

Bands make all their money touring. they get like 2 bucks per album sold which is divided up by each member in the band and with iTunes it's 11 cents per song sold divided up by each person in the band. So say they sell 35,000 copies of He's a Rocker (not going to happen based on previous single sales in Aus) on iTunes they only make a couple of thousand dollars to divide up between the entire band. Ivy League financed their album so they will be making the majority of money on these new songs. Radiohead financed In Rainbows out of their own wallet so they could pull this move. People should share this EP and it's songs cause the band wont be making barely anything and the bands poor management (not making the EP a worldwide release -- which is easy with the internet) has meant many international fans like yourself have missed out on sharing the excitement of enjoying new music from a band they love. Instead fans should check the band out live when they are touring near them and buy the album to keep Ivy League happy so that they finance album 5.

These rules are silly who's the real bad guy in all of this "music piracy" the fans? or Steve Jobs and his "legit" Apple iTunes music store?

then god help the vines cos they're unable to tour like most bands!! craig still has AS, and while they're hoping to do more shows than they did in support of VV (which, if you remember, was very few), they still aren't going to be out on the road 300+ days like most bands. they may play some big festivals like Fuji, but they don't draw top dollar like the headliners...that's the reality.

i agree their mgmt has done a suck-ass job of promotion so far, and the music industry in general sucks in terms of access to music - and how little artists make off their own music!! - but as a fan, i'm not willing to screw the band over for it. the vines are truly a band who depend more on album sales than most because of craig's circumstances.

Music should be free.

everything should be free.
if it was, then we wouldnt have to worry about poverty, social class, or stealing. you wouldnt have to steal because everything would be free, and everyone would keep on working (e.g. bank manager) because they know they are getting something in return (thier customer could be, for example, a baker.)
then it would all work fine. well there would probably be glitches, but that's my theory anyhow.
sorry a little off topic

but in today's world where people must make a living, then music cannot be free unfortunately.....well there is always limewire.

hahahaha good one Karl Marx!

what? who?

Sorry! The whole 'everything should be free' post reminded me of communism and Karl Marx
No offence, hope i didn't insult

nope, you didnt, I don't know who he is

...

People not knowing Karl Marx.

This universe is so utterly fucked.

Hhehe.

I agree, though... music, especially should be free. It seems like an entity that isn't materialistic by nature, but it is forced to morph its shapes and sounds in compliance with business and pop culture.

If everything should be free, we could start with music.
Verdict...
Free music, but I would still pay a lot of money to go to shows so that we could support stubborn musicians who don't want to work, they just wanna play, eat and sleep in a house.

Music would be good free, but to be honest, it is our own fault music costs so much. I read something once about CD prices being double what they have to be because of illegal downloading. :/

Oh well. Damn it, I wanna go to Australia, get the song on iTunes and come back to England. :S

CD prices are expensive because cocaine parties arent cheap!

Wahahahaha. Ba-zing.

Even before illegal downloading was all the shitz, CDs were (are) ridiculously expensive.

And considering artists get fucking peanuts compared to $$$ the record companies get from sales....yeah. Gigs, merchandise, fan clubs, etc is where the moneyz at.

At the same time, just be happy you don't live in Japan, where a limited market for homegrown artists means CDs go for about $30-35 a pop.

Apologies for excessive use of "z" in this post.