True. I hope that I am not a terrible fan just because I am not enjoying everything that they are doing at the moment. I love this band, but just not every single thing they do/make.

Of course, people that mindlessly worship everything they've ever made, down to the puddle in the toilet, are equally annoying. But what I was referring to people that keep whining how they should have stayed the same. It's the same people that would be slagging them off for being too much like in their early days if their sound didn't change. They've changed, progressed, or perhaps regressed - get the fuck over it.

could you show me a post where someone said they should've stayed the same? and yes they have regressed. he's capable of so much more but doesnt deliver...very frustrating...

Oh God

lol

perhaps you dont understand the subtleties of the english language...the key word being in that sentence is 'rather'...the sentence doesnt specifically advocate a return to their older style, in fact i would prefer an evolution of their style from HE to something better, rather than a regress to childish three chord songs...

if it still doesnt make sense i hear the bbc has a terrific site for people to learn english...enjoy.

Seriously people, is one song... one song... off an album really enough to judge the whole thing and deem the new style of music a 'regression'? Personally I don't think the new single is much of a change, it reminds me of DLTTR. But anyway, there's no point getting angry and arguing over whether the new music is good or bad. If someone doesn't like a song, that's fine, if another person likes it, that's fine too. I'm going to wait on the whole album before critiquing the bands new sound.

i luv how you're defending a cover that looks like a 9 year old created it with the statement that we are terrible fans and want the vines to stay the same

o wait dat means i have the skill to make it, being 9

joy to the world

p.s. this pretentious bullshit is getting old find a new bitching approach pls
p.p.s. i am sure you are smart enough to know who i'm talking to n_n

I don't see a reason to celebrate mediocrity. I'm as bigger fan as anyone else in here and I have to say I'm a little disappointed. We know what the boys are capable of and I don't think this song does them justice at all. I still believe this will be a great album and that they just made the wrong choice for the first single.

What I think we can say for sure is that just about every single management choice has been wrong. The Aussie MTV awards- waaaay to early, and also failed to capitalise on any hype created by that. SXSW and the other US gigs- aaaaaages ago, waste of effort and more or less forgotten now. No new website, when and if it does happen it had better be pretty dramatic. What we'll end up with is an album release with all the work the boys have done gone completely to waste as no one except people who come on here will know about it.

People need to be reminded of how great this band is, it's what Craig and the boys want, and at this rate, it just ain't happening.

oh and the album cover- looks like a collage some 15 year old girl made of her summer. There's a band on a budget.... and then there's this. Having said that, it's striking- and that's what might get people to pick it up. Albums aren't remembered for their cover art- they're remembered for the music that's on them.

My new favourite member

Surely Craig could wipp something up in 10 minutes?

I quite like the new album art. Ilike the un-polished/hand-made collage look.
The collage thing sort of reminds me of the Sgt. Pepper's album a little....



kinda anyway..

The Melodia cover would have been a smash...in the 60's!

I find it quite laughable that you dare preach about "subtleties of the English language" when you have clearly not yet mastered the art of reading comprehension. May I quote you again?

Now, would you please take two seconds to read what I said in response to that? Rather than clutching on the last lexical straws, and not very valid ones at that, I stressed out a few things that seem to have gone past you entirely.The most important of the bunch is probably your attitude towards the band's evolution. I find it absolutely ridiculous that anyone would prefer, or, to use the 'key word' of your sentence, rather have the band sound the same as they did around Highly Evolved. A different, fresh new sound is what it is normally expected from a band as years pass and albums are released. It's those changes that truly show whether a band is half-decent or not, and it's Melodia and all the albums to follow that will show if The Vines are capable of coming up with new exciting material over and over again. Saying that you'd rather they never changed at all, never tried a different sound is almost an insult, as much as you may dislike the new material; and you know as well as I do you'd be here whining about how they needed to try something different if they had indeed never made the transition from their HE sound.
Now,



What, are all my posts automatically translated to Urdu or are you just illiterate? This is not about the cover at all.

I think our loyalties are being tested.... i dont know why they are... they just are!
So far since the bands moved management weve been given a very sub-par Vines single, a truely aweful video, and a pretty piss poor album cover.
Come back? bah! not likely!

Still im waiting for the music, there are songs im pretty excited about. And the 3 previous albums alone will keep me a vines fan.

However, for a "comeback" its been all talk... and only from Craig, who seems to know nothing about whats going on with the band, and management hasnt done anything!

I love the Vines, really do, but everything this year has just been one dissapointment after another, (all except their live performances, the one thing the band have complete control over, and look amazing!!!!)

OOOOOHH and to everyone who says "You just want the band to stay the same!!"
I dont!!! but a band changing usually means expanding and growing musically..... not changing to crap cheap album covers n videos....
The B-sides show the band doing stuff different musically, but in terms of artwor and videos theyre taking very fast steps backwards!!!
Seriously... MSpaint anyone?

They're actually under the same management, but a different label. And I thought Capitol did very poor promotion...well I guess minimal is better than what they're getting now...nearly none!

I do think that the songs on the album will be quite good and that people should at least wait until it comes out before making assumptions based on one song, one video and the cover.

true, but Capitol didnt do any promotion last time because they really didn't care about The Vines anymore, and if VV failed then they could drop them! I always thought Capitol wanted to drop them as soon as Craig got diagnosed because they realised for the foreseeable futrue Craig wouldnt be a money making machine!

It sounds like alot of bad reviews! Hey remember everyone, the band don't too much care about all that nonsense. They're probably happy to be able to do things the way they want, at a slower pace and we are lucky to get it! They don't owe us anything. It has been a bit of torture waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for it. Also trying to get ahold of their stuff outside of Oz, but I for one will make the effort. Still my favorite band. THEY KICKED ASS LIVE!!!!!

That's what I was saying!
Yeah, I definitely think the new cover seems very Beatlish, and it's actually starting to grow on me more and more. I'm excited to get a closer look, and to look at the inside of it and everything.

Also, I think everyone who doesn't like it should try to give it more of a chance instead of making comments insinuating that it was the work of a 9 year old having fun in MS Paint. Like I said before, if that's what The Vines decided to do, and it's their image for the album, then it's got to be great.. Just give it more of a chance.
Plus, no matter what the band does, I think we should all just try to support them, instead of trying to point out all the "bad things" they've been doing lately. It makes me really sad to see Vines fans acting this way, especially since we were all known as "The Most loyal fanbase in the world" just a year ago. And what are we now, with everyone turning on the band like this..? It breaks my heart..
And I know all of this has taken so long to happen, and now that it is some of you are disappointed because you had such high expectations caused by to the long wait, but I think you guys should just take things as they are, or don't take them at all, because I don't see a single reason for anyone to go off on how "bad" The Vines are now. Everything is the way it is, and complaining about them isn't going to change anything at all.

So stop the negativity, cause we want positively. Besides, the new songs on the album won't disappoint, I promise, so just don't judge a book by it's cover, ok..?

Im sorry but I completely disagree... fans enjoy the great stuff bands do, but also criticise when they make a mistake.... stupid idol worshipers just go along with whatever the band decide to do!

Although I do agree, we should still try and remain optimisitc and be a bit positive, but I think in general people are.

I've just been listening to Kara Jayne and AS III on youtube and am convinced when Craig said this album was their best that it will be.

He's A Rocker was their (poor) attempt at trying to get a pop hit.

The cover may suck but that's not a major issue.

Night guys!

Now that's a better way of thinking about it. I definitely am excited for the album and I really think it will be great ...the cover is growing on me...

I think that a lot of this negative energy may be coming from the fact that everyone just feels that the vines haven't got what they deserve as far as management and promotion.

I reckon He's A Rocker is the DLTTR off of this album. While I remain undecided when it comes to the live songs, I will say that True As The Night is probably going to be a stunning piece.

You don't have to be a "stupid idol worshiper" to support the band you love.
And everyone makes mistakes, including bands, but it doesn't mean you have to criticise them for every little thing they do. That's all I'm saying, I wasn't trying to start some big argument, or anything, and I'm by far a "stupid idol worshipper", if that's what you were implying.. I was just saying that, even though the album artwork might disappoint some people, I think it's a bit harsh to say a 9 year old did it on MS Paint. But, since I'm aware that every one's entitled to their opinions, I wasn't trying to be mean to anyone or say anyone's opinion was wrong, I was just trying to say you can't judge a book by it's cover. So sorry if I upset you in any way, but that was not my intention.

The online medias were trying to help the Vines come back by writing the same ol story aboot them everyday during SXSW festival...

Maybe that helped boost album sales and song sales from their back-catalogue. You never know, maybe they made some new fans from those shows.


And if thats the album cover, kinda a lot of pictures of yourself already & its' only the front of the booklet. I know their supposed to be hot guys, but it gets irritating being dwarfed by someone elses ego when all you want to do is hear their songs. Then again, I should speak, i dont give to frits about the cover.

srry misplacedkeyz can't read!

i r illiterate

p.s. LEXICAL

I've idol worshipped this band to the end of the earth and back- but even I can see that things aren't as they should be. Even with vision valley we had a proper website up and running by this point. Under capitol they would have put at least some money behind promotion to pay for videos, the mathematics cover arts and everything. We had that podcast too, remember? all that sort of stuff needs to be repeated and it just simply hasn't happened and I'd say it has to happen in the next 2 weeks or we'll have another album- great or not- that is going to pass people by and another 2 years where people who would otherwise take an interest in their music will be ever more convinced that the vines are over. Craig might be ready to dominate the world again, but no one seems prepared to give the boys the opportunity to do that.

The most annoying thing for me is that I feel so powerless to do anything about this. I've been whining about this for months- and nothing has changed.

To be honest with ya, i personally don't care what an album cover looks like. Its what's on the inside that counts. Why does everybody care so much how the album cover looks like? Who buys an album based on the cover anyway? Maybe one out of a million would perhaps??......but i sure don't.

And there's a lot of bands that i love, where i don't like the album cover at all, yet i still love the music.


On that note, maybe the cover will look better in real life. All we're seeing is a small wanna-be version of it on our computer screens.
And maybe they figured we would love it, cause we seem to find the band members so attractive, and they probably know that....so they thought if they put them on the cover, that we'd might get a kick out of it.






I am not turning on the band. I don't turn on bands. Not if i genuinely love them. And that doesn't mean i have to love every single song..album cover..ect....

And if some people are turning on the band and losing interest, there's not much we can do about it. It happens with all bands. Not all fans will stay 100% true all the way to the end. And thats okay. They cant help it if they don't like. A band loses fans..but they also gain new fans. Its all part of the business.





See thats the thing. I had NO expectations of anything. I am open to whatever they have to offer. I may not automatically love everything that comes my way, but i am still a Vines fan for sure. I have faith in Craig because i know he can write some awesome tunes...and he creates a sound that i always seem to take to.

guys guys
the bottom line here is that we know we're all gonna go out and buy the album and whatnot
so
like
quit bickering about how good/bad a fan everyone is
srsly.

that is so true
regardless of single, promotion, album cover...ANYTHING, I'm very sure that all of us WILL buy the album. If we weren't going to, then we wouldn't be talking about it.
Let's just wait untill we hear it.

btw I am starting to like the album cover.

that's a very good way of looking at it. I like your ideas vinechild

I'm sorry everyone.. I didn't mean to say anyone was a bad fan, or anything, but I realize now that it kind of sounds that way, so I'm sorry everyone. I think I'll just shut my stupid mouth now, because I don't want to upset anyone with my retardedness..
But, for the record, I don't think anyone on the forum is a bad fan. If they were, they wouldn't even bother coming on here in the first place, would they? And I understand what Tyler is saying about the lack of promotion. It would be a shame if the band didn't get the recognition they deserve from the album just because no one even knows about it. So, hopefully that changes pretty soon..
But, since management doesn't seem to be doing the best job with promotion, maybe we should all just take it into our own hands? Like, what if we all started doing things to let the world know The Vines are coming out with a new album, like we did for Vision Valley with the "International Vines Promotion Contest"..? I know that's probably a stupid idea, since no one would get any prizes or anything for what they would be doing, but if everyone was willing to just do it out of the goodness of their hearts I think it might work.

Wow, I really did a good job at shutting my mouth, huh..? Well, I'll stop, now.. And sorry again if I offended anyone.. I guess I just feel like being dumb today..

No, Shayla, you didn't say anything wrong. And also if other people can state their opinion so bluntly you have nothing to worry about regarding what you said

Aww..Shayla...dont worry about it. You were just feeling zealous at the time. And you don't say stupid or retarded things.

You is okay by my book.

That's a good way of looking at it, Maddie. I just don't want anyone to think I was critisizing them or anything, because I really wasn't, but I feel a lot better about it now, thanks!
And sorry I don't remember your name, Vinechild, but thanks a lot for understanding and making me feel better.

I'd rather burn this album onto a CD than ever look at that cover again.

dude

just forget the fucking cover !!!!

My advice is to buy the album, throw the CD in the CD player and never ever take it out.

^There's a good idea for those who don't like it!

Ursa: that gif in your signature cracks me up so much

yeah, cause the cover is more important than the music ...also i think the covers really cool

I just don't get how you can use MySpace pictures for your album art. If you google worst album cover you'll see better album covers than this.

As much as I appreciate the music none of us are getting the full package here.

And if you google best album cover you'll see worse album covers than this. Fact is, people's tastes differ, and while Melodia's cover may not be their best, it really isn't as disastrous as you make it out to be. You just need some time to get used to it, I think.

I agree. And this is like...180 degrees from the VV cover so it really is very different from people may have been expecting.

But I actually really like it. At first I only saw the small thumbnail of it and was like...okay...what's this supposed to be? but when seeing it larger I started to like it much better. I like how it's kinda "haphazard" and isn't some polished and professional looking cover. It's bright and colorful and at least will get the eye's attention. Unfortunately things can't make everyone happy, not everyone has the same taste (which is actually great because that makes us who we are as individuals). But overall, in my opinion a true music buff will not get so hung up over the cover.

Oh yeh?


... I mean come on!

^HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA

Personally I love the cover. I think it looks really, really good. If you'd see it in a record store then it would probably stand out a lot. And that's a good thing right.

It's a lot better than the VV cover I think. Colorful and lots of pics of the band. And now what's wrong with that?

*sigh* I was just looking forward to more Craig art

Well, I think he must have done at least some of it...like that painting on the sides...?

I was never really much of a fan of the winning days cover to be honest....
Vision Valley was what it was- simple. Name of the band, and the album title. Dark like the music on it.
Highly Evolved was cool as it really reflected the music that was on the record and because Craig did it....
I guess we'll see with this one. I didn't like it at first..... and now I just don't know where I stand. Depends what's on it I suppose.

I think you have to kind of see it in person, as weird as that sounds

Oh but I'm a huge fan of the winning days cover!

I absolutely love that cover too, didn't someone ask him about the new cover and he said he was thinking of working with the same person who did the WD one (lovepolice)?

Oh yeah and I thought he said it was gonna be purple, wtf?! Sorry I just remembered that.