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wonkytooth
a new interview with wayne connolly about the recording of 'vision valley' - what went on, what was used, and other things you musician types jizz over. wink.gif

you can thank allie for being born and her brother for getting her such a cool b'day present - the article was provided by them. smile.gif

Recording The Vines
Audio Technology
June 2006

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cherry blossom girl
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Thank u Aliie, and thank u Alies brother!!!

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uskidsknow
Thank u Aliie and thank you aliies brother, you guys are the best!!! cool.gif
Aurélie
THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
You are so lovely ! rolleyes.gif
noricha
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[/b]wooooooooo!!!
Maxwell Demon
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thank you sooooo much Allie, for scanning all that and getting it up
and thanks to your brother for picking it up!

I'm buying some issues to put out at my work biggrin.gif
wonkytooth
two questions...

1) okay, so we all know craig has his quirks, but why might he want to keep what guitar pedal he uses a secret? blink.gif

2) can someone explain double-tracking in dummie-speak?
Maxwell Demon
its doubling

when you record the same exact thing twice and mix them together to get a fuller sound
wonkytooth
ah, so you need a few imperfections or differences to make it sound richer/fuller, or you might as well lay the same track on top of itself.
Maxwell Demon
well its just utterly impossible to get the same exact wave when doubling with live instruments so yeah you'll hear that fuller sound
you can also duplicate a track and add effects to the duplicate or run it through a different amp or effects processor to do make-it-yourself doubling

which is especially good during the mixdown process when you realize the song could really use it and you no longer have the artist around to do it

and what wayne was talking about was how good Craig was at doubling

you usually need to take 467816372 takes of a doubled track because the vocalist/musician will fuck up or go off time

and if they end up off 10 ms in a few sections (especially with guitars) you run the risk of getting some partial phase cancellation that will give those parts a flange effect that you don't want

its really REALLY interesting the way he goes about things
I look forward to having a few long discussions with co workers about it and trying out some of that stuff

especially how he can do it without too much trouble with phase cancellation
when he was describing the setups I was thinking "how the hell does he pull that off? he must have to switch a ton of stuff" and then he said what he did about not much phase cancellation and then he mentioned how ProTools doesn't have a phase switch on the channels....that drives me crazy as well when it comes to drums and session guitars

and the use of ribbon mics!

oh and him mentioning how Craig uses digital distortion to his advantage
hes like the second coming of Trent Reznor

oh and I'm known for making lots of animal noises in the studio as well and "adding monkey to tracks" without the artists' knowing
and also for falling off and over chairs laugh.gif
wonkytooth
the interesting thing too being craig comes off so chaotic, like wayne mentioning he want be still when singing into a mic, and yet he's very controlled in other aspects - like how he'd mentally mapped out months in advance how he wanted each word and vocal phrasing to sound. you wouldn't think that to hear vocals on tracks like 'anysound' or 'gross out' - but he pulls it off.

once wayne got into talking about hiding mics around the floor and dead ambience and pro tools...i was lost. huh.gif much as i am after reading the second half of lizzy's post. laugh.gif

and lizzy, don't ever plan to go into a studio at the same time as craig - you guys and your clumsiness will be too costly and/or dangerous to your well-being and others. tongue.gif
Maxwell Demon
yes and the songs will all come out way too full of animal noises laugh.gif

oh and I used to always pretend I was a pterodactyl when I was a kid....

havn't done that in the studio yet
maybe I should laugh.gif
prince rebelle
I would pay good money to see Liz and Craig in the studio together.

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Maxwell Demon
oh no!

theres a pterodactyl chasing Craig! laugh.gif
prince rebelle
It's a pretty slow chase. I do hope Craig gets to safety.
Maxwell Demon
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you do have a way of making me appreciate the addage of the marquee tag
marilyn_monroe
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Also, it's handy to have Lizzy here to explain this all to us wink.gif
wonkytooth
QUOTE(prince rebelle @ Jun 20 2006, 11:30 PM) *

I would pay good money to see Liz and Craig in the studio together.

IPB Image craigsmiley9oq.gif


and for the second day straight, kryst takes 'post of the day'! laugh.gif

though animal_machine's 'who cares hurry rip dam vids u lazy shits!' came in a close second... tongue.gif rolleyes.gif
Maxwell Demon
I'll talk about audio engineering anytime you want me to laugh.gif
prince rebelle
Maybe, I should shoot for a week straight of "post of the day".
Maxwell Demon
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yes just come on every night and put your input into something
you're bound to acheive your goal laugh.gif

god I'm still laughing over that
prince rebelle
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Poor prehistoric lizard bird. I'm sure it didn't ask for this. Or maybe it did.
Maxwell Demon
LMAO

jesus

stop it

my ribs hurt laugh.gif
prince rebelle
If you insist, hahaha. I'm much too easily amused with this marquee thing myself.
watermonkey
oooo i just love learning about that kind of thing...thank you very much. biggrin.gif
Aurélie
QUOTE(prince rebelle @ Jun 21 2006, 05:53 AM) *

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Poor prehistoric lizard bird. I'm sure it didn't ask for this. Or maybe it did.


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nice ! very nice !

You make me laugh !
annie
QUOTE(prince rebelle @ Jun 21 2006, 03:30 PM) *

I would pay good money to see Liz and Craig in the studio together.

IPB Image craigsmiley9oq.gif



We should promote you to forum God Kryst

fucking hell that pterodactyl thing is going to crack me up for a long time.
Maxwell Demon
well when he finally gets to 1,969 posts we'll have to insist he changes his title to Forum God
annie
that could take a few years... tongue.gif
Maxwell Demon
it probably will

its taken him a year and a half to get to 800
wonkytooth
maybe we can make an exception for kryst and christen him 'Forum God' now - i mean, really, since when do gods have to adhere by any set rules? wink.gif
Maxwell Demon
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we could do that

he'll just have to wait to have it as his member title
I'm gonna edit it into his signature and we'll see how long it takes him to realize its there
wonkytooth
QUOTE(Aesthetic_Dame @ Jul 1 2006, 06:48 PM) *

he'll just have to wait to have it as his member title
I'm gonna edit it into his signature and we'll see how long it takes him to realize its there


i see it. laugh.gif

wonder when he will... shifty.gif
Maxwell Demon
he hasn't mentioned anything yet... laugh.gif
**blossy**
interwiev is a little bit too long *^^* (ok, i'm just jokeing, it's very interesting but i don't really understand all that he's saying sad.gif laugh.gif )

*it would be much more interesting if they interwieved craig tongue.gif *
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