Full Version: Vision Valley DEBUTS at 14 in Australia
Debuts at 14 in Australia. Little dissapointing. Hopefully once Anysound gets released it sticks around.
Not bad for an album with little promotion, but still worse then Winning Days number 7 position and Highly Evolved's 5 position.
http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_....asp?chart=1A50
But look at the crap in the top 20 it's amazing they were even able to crack it.
http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_....asp?chart=1A50
But look at the crap in the top 20 it's amazing they were even able to crack it.
eww
Nickelback
Nickelback
How's it disappointing? I think it's great considering the low key promotion 
And it's the 4th highest debut of the week, which is quite an achievement in today's market...
Unfortunately shit like The Veronicas and Rogue traders come in above it, but that's what you have to contend with I guess. I'm hoping it will pick up as well of course but I still think it's pretty good
And it's the 4th highest debut of the week, which is quite an achievement in today's market...
Unfortunately shit like The Veronicas and Rogue traders come in above it, but that's what you have to contend with I guess. I'm hoping it will pick up as well of course but I still think it's pretty good
QUOTE(Aesthetic_Dame @ Apr 9 2006, 06:36 PM) 
eww
Nickelback
the same can be said for most of the shit on there
But still...
Yeah, it's not bad...but it should have been a lot better. :-\ I'm not quite sure that this whole "little promo" has gone so well.
we have to wait until Tuesday to see how they did here
14 is not bad at all, all things considered. Now everyone in Australia has to go out an buy a couple more copies this week so that they're in the top 10 next week. 
I would like to apologize on behalf of my country for Nickelback. Unfortunately we have laws that forbid us from eliminating unsavoury individuals simply because they make crap music. Stupid democracy...
I would like to apologize on behalf of my country for Nickelback. Unfortunately we have laws that forbid us from eliminating unsavoury individuals simply because they make crap music. Stupid democracy...
QUOTE(tienah @ Apr 9 2006, 06:44 PM)
14 is not bad at all, all things considered. Now everyone in Australia has to go out an buy a couple more copies this week so that they're in the top 10 next week.
I would like to apologize on behalf of my country for Nickelback. Unfortunately we have laws that forbid us from eliminating unsavoury individuals simply because they make crap music. Stupid democracy...
I apologize for The Veronicas...technically we own them...and Rogue Traders.My sincerest apologies to the world for spawning such vial crappolla
*cough* britney spears nsync backstreet boys *cough* I don't think the US has had any shit music, EVER! 
Human Nature
bardot
Sophie Monk
Kylie Minogue- don't care if thet's not how it's spelt
Jet
Madison Avenue
Peter Andre
I do believe both our countries have alot to apologize for...
bardot
Sophie Monk
Kylie Minogue- don't care if thet's not how it's spelt
Jet
Madison Avenue
Peter Andre
I do believe both our countries have alot to apologize for...
QUOTE(clever_napkins @ Apr 9 2006, 07:19 PM)
Jet
Peter Andre
I do believe both our countries have alot to apologize for...
Peter Andre is regretable, but I like Jet.
QUOTE(tienah @ Apr 9 2006, 06:44 PM)
14 is not bad at all, all things considered. Now everyone in Australia has to go out an buy a couple more copies this week so that they're in the top 10 next week.
Well I bought four on the day of release and will be going back for more soon, so you can't accuse me of not pulling my weight!
I guess it's not so bad. Yes, there was such a lack of promotion that I wasn't expecting much. I actually think it's pretty good and it makes me happy that people are buying it and all 
and yes, I think "anysound" is a pretty appealing song and I hope that it keeps the sales up.
and yes, I think "anysound" is a pretty appealing song and I hope that it keeps the sales up.
Yeah, I think that's rather excellent. With the 'disastrous' couple of years, I don't know if traditional promo avenues would do much for the new album - so many people have lost interest in The Vines so I don't think they'd really respond to TV commercials or print ads. I think word of mouth from all of us would be more effecticve.
my friend said it wasn't good enough, no excuse, they did shit, shitter than winning days which isn't acceptable at all. I on the other hand say "at least it wasn't a flop". It's just the kiddies who buy the crap above, and also those stooges who just d/l the leaked version, dam them!
QUOTE(borgy @ Apr 9 2006, 06:20 PM)
Winning Days number 7 position and Highly Evolved's 5 position.
Is that where they both debued? (stuff it I've no idea how to spell it)
Because I've been trying to find out but can't find it anywhere
for the vines, i'd say debuting at #14 in australia is great (the acts that debuted higher are hilltop hoods, pink, and the cat empire). considering they did a fraction of the promotion they did for HE and WD, it's amazing they did so well.
'don't listen...' was just released as the single, so they're going to depend on it and word of mouth about VV to keep sales up for awhile. longevity is what matters. some live shows in oz certainly wouldn't hurt. *hint hint*
'don't listen...' was just released as the single, so they're going to depend on it and word of mouth about VV to keep sales up for awhile. longevity is what matters. some live shows in oz certainly wouldn't hurt. *hint hint*
Wow, that's cool!
I saw on the Vines myspace that a lot of people had commented saying they bought the album and loved it!
I dunno, but it sure made me happy to see that!
I saw on the Vines myspace that a lot of people had commented saying they bought the album and loved it!
I dunno, but it sure made me happy to see that!
I can't find any decent websites for album chart positions in the UK. ALl i can tell you is that it's not in the UK Top 40 
Yeah, don't feel bad...I don't think it'll be up there on US charts either...sadly
Cuz here I didn't even hear one of their songs on the radio (not even ONCE)
Cuz here I didn't even hear one of their songs on the radio (not even ONCE)
QUOTE(green_scissors @ Apr 9 2006, 08:18 PM)
I can't find any decent websites for album chart positions in the UK. ALl i can tell you is that it's not in the UK Top 40
i just posted the info in a new thread in the VV section but...the album debuted at (
) #71 in the UK.here's a link to the chart...
http://uk.launch.yahoo.com/c/uk/album_charts.html
god knows how it will do in the US because we had the least publicity here of anywhere.
that really bothers me, i wonder how they feel about that, i guess with the little promotion they did they would have expected it, but #71 bad.
i dont get why they didnt have the singles out before the album.
maybe it will pick up a bit soon, 14 insnt bad though, i wonder how manny albums that is sold
i dont get why they didnt have the singles out before the album.
maybe it will pick up a bit soon, 14 insnt bad though, i wonder how manny albums that is sold
I think they need to sort out some alternative promotion. They can't be travelling all over the world doing music TV shows and what-not so why not record a few different live recordings of which ever single they are releasing, in the comfort of Sydney at their own leasure, and get them out to the the usual programmes you would expect to see The Vines and similar bands promoting themsleves on. For example, in the UK, send them to CD:UK, Top Of The Pops, T4 etc.
The world NEEDS to know The Vines are BACK! All the effort & determination that went into making this stunning new album - it's kind of frustrating to know that it's not reaching and therefor not having the chance to astonish & touch the lives of as many people as it could.
I know it can't be helped, and I'd most definitely rather it be this way than causing any distress to Craig. But it's such a shame. The band and he deserve so much more recognition.
The world NEEDS to know The Vines are BACK! All the effort & determination that went into making this stunning new album - it's kind of frustrating to know that it's not reaching and therefor not having the chance to astonish & touch the lives of as many people as it could.
I know it can't be helped, and I'd most definitely rather it be this way than causing any distress to Craig. But it's such a shame. The band and he deserve so much more recognition.
QUOTE(clever_napkins @ Apr 9 2006, 09:45 PM)
Is that where they both debued? (stuff it I've no idea how to spell it)
Because I've been trying to find out but can't find it anywhere
Yeah, but Highly Evolved still went double platinum which at the time in this country i think was 150,000 units sold or more, Winning Days sold 10,000 copies i think in this country, not 100% sure, so this album still has a chance to out sell the underated Winning Days.
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Apr 10 2006, 11:18 AM)
i just posted the info in a new thread in the VV section but...the album debuted at (
) #71 in the UK.here's a link to the chart...
http://uk.launch.yahoo.com/c/uk/album_charts.html
god knows how it will do in the US because we had the least publicity here of anywhere.
!!! wow, that's bad, cause in the UK when they started out that's where they apperantly had their biggest fan base, maybe fans from the UK were just buying imports so they could get the Aussie DVD?They will probably get dropped from EMI if this album doesnt pick up, cause major labels just care about money, then EMI will release a best of or greatest hits. But as long as they keep making and recording music all will be good, they dont need a major anyway they'd probably make more money through an indie label.
QUOTE(borgy @ Apr 9 2006, 09:54 PM)
Yeah, but Highly Evolved still went double platinum which at the time in this country i think was 150,000 units sold or more, Winning Days sold 10,000 copies i think in this country, not 100% sure, so this album still has a chance to out sell the underated Winning Days.
WD only sold 10,000 copies there?!!
i guess the annandale/triple m debacle kind of killed it's chances of doing any better because once that happened, there was no more promotion. QUOTE
They will probably get dropped from EMI if this album doesnt pick up, cause major labels just care about money, then EMI will release a best of or greatest hits. But as long as they keep making and recording music all will be good, they dont need a major anyway they'd probably make more money through an indie label.
here in the US, capitol has been supportive so far of bands who don't sell big - aka the music, the doves, dandy warhols, ok go...but i see what you're saying. they could definitely continue to record thru an indie label if it comes to that.
QUOTE(green_scissors @ Apr 9 2006, 09:53 PM)
I think they need to sort out some alternative promotion. They can't be travelling all over the world doing music TV shows and what-not so why not record a few different live recordings of which ever single they are releasing, in the comfort of Sydney at their own leasure, and get them out to the the usual programmes you would expect to see The Vines and similar bands promoting themsleves on. For example, in the UK, send them to CD:UK, Top Of The Pops, T4 etc.
The world NEEDS to know The Vines are BACK! All the effort & determination that went into making this stunning new album - it's kind of frustrating to know that it's not reaching and therefor not having the chance to astonish & touch the lives of as many people as it could.
I know it can't be helped, and I'd most definitely rather it be this way than causing any distress to Craig. But it's such a shame. The band and he deserve so much more recognition.
agreed. my feeling is they should be exploiting the internet way more. that acoustic 'vision valley' has gone over in a huge way, so do more podcasts like that. if the band can't physically tour to promote the album, they can perform the songs live in a studio (or the W&G offices!) and stream it over the site. we can add it to youtube, myspaces, ljs, etc. but work the web!! it's got so much potential for a band in the position the vines are in, y'know?
are they even on the chart for the US??
^ the US chart information doesn't come out on Billboard until tuesday.
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Apr 10 2006, 03:09 AM)
agreed. my feeling is they should be exploiting the internet way more. that acoustic 'vision valley' has gone over in a huge way, so do more podcasts like that. if the band can't physically tour to promote the album, they can perform the songs live in a studio (or the W&G offices!) and stream it over the site. we can add it to youtube, myspaces, ljs, etc. but work the web!! it's got so much potential for a band in the position the vines are in, y'know?
Definitely!!! Work it, work it , WORK IT!!
...*has visions of lycra & bending
ahem* sorry
They play the vines like twice a day here in MN.. but maily because I bombarded them with emails
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Apr 10 2006, 12:09 PM)
WD only sold 10,000 copies there?!!
i guess the annandale/triple m debacle kind of killed it's chances of doing any better because once that happened, there was no more promotion. here in the US, capitol has been supportive so far of bands who don't sell big - aka the music, the doves, dandy warhols, ok go...but i see what you're saying. they could definitely continue to record thru an indie label if it comes to that.
agreed. my feeling is they should be exploiting the internet way more. that acoustic 'vision valley' has gone over in a huge way, so do more podcasts like that. if the band can't physically tour to promote the album, they can perform the songs live in a studio (or the W&G offices!) and stream it over the site. we can add it to youtube, myspaces, ljs, etc. but work the web!! it's got so much potential for a band in the position the vines are in, y'know?
Yeah, i couldnt believe it ethier, in 2004 i read the article on Undercover Media about it, it was talking about how the Vine success or something was collapsing around them, it was like a week before the breakdown and it mentioned the album sales figures, i'll try and find the link it might not be online anymore (they've updated their entire site to the 00's since then)
QUOTE
The Vines Cancel America
The future of The Vines looks even more uncertain with news today that the band has cancelled their upcoming US tour.
The Vines management went into damage control recently after an appalling showcase in Sydney when bass player Patrick Matthews walked out after the first song. The show the following night was then cancelled with "illness" used as the excuse.
Fans who witnessed the Sydney show said they felt they had witnessed the break-up of The Vines. Now, even more disaster with the American tour which was due to start in Atlantic City on June 24 also cancelled.
The Vines had come off the back of bad reviews for their tour with Jet and The Living End. Sales of their recent album 'Winning Days' have been lukewarm with the title falling off the chart in just three weeks.
So is it over for The Vines? There is still no official word other than now they plan on taking a break.
By Paul Cashmere
The future of The Vines looks even more uncertain with news today that the band has cancelled their upcoming US tour.
The Vines management went into damage control recently after an appalling showcase in Sydney when bass player Patrick Matthews walked out after the first song. The show the following night was then cancelled with "illness" used as the excuse.
Fans who witnessed the Sydney show said they felt they had witnessed the break-up of The Vines. Now, even more disaster with the American tour which was due to start in Atlantic City on June 24 also cancelled.
The Vines had come off the back of bad reviews for their tour with Jet and The Living End. Sales of their recent album 'Winning Days' have been lukewarm with the title falling off the chart in just three weeks.
So is it over for The Vines? There is still no official word other than now they plan on taking a break.
By Paul Cashmere
one article from June 2004 mentioning it's chart run.
Ok now here's the article mentioning, it's sales from May 29, 2004:
QUOTE
Triple M Drops The Vines
Sydney radio station Triple M has dropped The Vines from their playlist following the public tantrum of bass player Patrick Matthews at a showcase performance on Thursday night.
Matthews walked off stage and didn't return after the first song, forcing the band to carry on as a three piece..
Triple M had hosted the event and the audience was mainly made up of their listeners. "In my opinion it's unprofessional and disrespectful to their fans" program director Mike Fitzpatrick said in a statement.
Fitzpatrick has extended an invitation to The Vines to explain on-air what happened and say sorry. "I've invited the guys to Triple M to apologise or at least explain their actions on air, but they haven't called me back" he says. "We've supported the Vines until now, but our listeners have made it clear, after the Garage Session performance, they don't want to hear the band on Triple M. I can assure you they will never have another song played on Triple M. Whether they care about that or not, I don't know, but I'll be sure to mention it to Craig the next time he asks me "do you want fries with that?"."
Even after Matthews had left the building, singer Craig Nicholls often stopped midway through songs and yelled at the audience. "The intimate crowd of 400 were shocked when asked by the lead singer to "baa" like sheep" says the Triple M statement.
The Vines album Winning Days was released on March 22 in Australia and to date has sold less than 10,000 units. The previous album Highly Evolved was a platinum selling album in Australia.
By Paul Cashmere
Sydney radio station Triple M has dropped The Vines from their playlist following the public tantrum of bass player Patrick Matthews at a showcase performance on Thursday night.
Matthews walked off stage and didn't return after the first song, forcing the band to carry on as a three piece..
Triple M had hosted the event and the audience was mainly made up of their listeners. "In my opinion it's unprofessional and disrespectful to their fans" program director Mike Fitzpatrick said in a statement.
Fitzpatrick has extended an invitation to The Vines to explain on-air what happened and say sorry. "I've invited the guys to Triple M to apologise or at least explain their actions on air, but they haven't called me back" he says. "We've supported the Vines until now, but our listeners have made it clear, after the Garage Session performance, they don't want to hear the band on Triple M. I can assure you they will never have another song played on Triple M. Whether they care about that or not, I don't know, but I'll be sure to mention it to Craig the next time he asks me "do you want fries with that?"."
Even after Matthews had left the building, singer Craig Nicholls often stopped midway through songs and yelled at the audience. "The intimate crowd of 400 were shocked when asked by the lead singer to "baa" like sheep" says the Triple M statement.
The Vines album Winning Days was released on March 22 in Australia and to date has sold less than 10,000 units. The previous album Highly Evolved was a platinum selling album in Australia.
By Paul Cashmere
QUOTE(gypseyrou2005 @ Apr 9 2006, 07:53 PM)
They play the vines like twice a day here in MN.. but maily because I bombarded them with emails
gr8 job i shhould do that to my local radio station!!
The only way the album will sell well is if they get a radio hit. Anysound has the chance to do that.
#71 in the UK 
That's horrible! And I'm being totally honest when I say that, cause I really, really thought it would do very well in the UK. Especially with the good press they've gotten there, that's so disappointing!! Urgh, they really need to do something about this. I really do think they can make it go up the chart. I do agree with whoever thought "Anysound" could be a hit. I also would like to see them release a slower song, too. ugh, this really is disapointing. I'm scared to see what it will be in the US. but #14 in australia really isn't bad.
That's horrible! And I'm being totally honest when I say that, cause I really, really thought it would do very well in the UK. Especially with the good press they've gotten there, that's so disappointing!! Urgh, they really need to do something about this. I really do think they can make it go up the chart. I do agree with whoever thought "Anysound" could be a hit. I also would like to see them release a slower song, too. ugh, this really is disapointing. I'm scared to see what it will be in the US. but #14 in australia really isn't bad.
Should be in at least top 5 everywhere.
QUOTE(marilyn_monroe @ Apr 10 2006, 04:47 PM)
but #14 in australia really isn't bad.
Yeah, I totally agree. 14 is pretty awesome considering.
Come on Brit forum members! Get violent if you have to.
They need to get Anysound out ASAP!
The filmclip for DLTTR is crap, you can come up with MUCH better on a smaller budget...get a bit creative, its all about effort.
#14 in Australia is fine if it can stay in the top 20 for a month or so.
No touring and almost zero promotion makez it hard, but I agree the internet could have been used way more.
The filmclip for DLTTR is crap, you can come up with MUCH better on a smaller budget...get a bit creative, its all about effort.
#14 in Australia is fine if it can stay in the top 20 for a month or so.
No touring and almost zero promotion makez it hard, but I agree the internet could have been used way more.
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Apr 10 2006, 01:18 AM)
i just posted the info in a new thread in the VV section but...the album debuted at (
) #71 in the UK.here's a link to the chart...
http://uk.launch.yahoo.com/c/uk/album_charts.html
god knows how it will do in the US because we had the least publicity here of anywhere.
*sniffles* That is awful! Really. Really. Awful.
U.K. fans need to show more support. Buy, buy, buy...request, request, request!!
I dread where it will be on the US charts.
This is tragic. It's such a great album!
I dread where it will be on the US charts.
This is tragic. It's such a great album!
what positition had gross out in the single charts?
I just spoke to their UK press person and although press has been favorable, the album is not getting any airplay. UK fans need to call their local radio stations and request Vines tracks like crazy!
This is where the fans can make a big difference.
This is where the fans can make a big difference.
QUOTE(NewMan @ Apr 10 2006, 10:30 AM)
what positition had gross out in the single charts?
in the NME charts it's at #7.
in Italy only RadioDeejay sometimes has in the playlist Don't Listen To The Radio...but I don't think the album will come in the first 100 positions
Also on the web there is no care for vision valley
Also on the web there is no care for vision valley
yeah, the record reps are trying to turn that around. they realize they rushed to get the album out, and now they need to focus on letting people know it's actually out. if it grows in sales, that's a GOOD thing.
Hey !
The Vines are the first in our hearts !
DON'T FORGET IT !
The Vines are the first in our hearts !
DON'T FORGET IT !
I just sent an email to Steve Lamaq at BBC Radio 1 expressing my disgust at the lack of airplay...fingers crossed he will respond with some airplay!!!
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Apr 10 2006, 07:48 AM)
yeah, the record reps are trying to turn that around. they realize they rushed to get the album out, and now they need to focus on letting people know it's actually out. if it grows in sales, that's a GOOD thing.
Are they going to play any shows like Dave Letterman to promote the album? I know Craig's Aspergers conflicts with it, but come on, they have to get some kind of promotion in.
I highly doubt it but.. you never know
QUOTE(Aurélie @ Apr 10 2006, 01:37 PM)
Hey !
The Vines are the first in our hearts !
DON'T FORGET IT !
and i
you for saying that, aurelie. 
QUOTE(green_scissors @ Apr 10 2006, 06:01 PM)
I just sent an email to Steve Lamaq at BBC Radio 1 expressing my disgust at the lack of airplay...fingers crossed he will respond with some airplay!!!
you give 'em what for, helen!
QUOTE(HumansAreDead @ Apr 10 2006, 08:01 PM)
Are they going to play any shows like Dave Letterman to promote the album? I know Craig's Aspergers conflicts with it, but come on, they have to get some kind of promotion in.
letterman? no, cos that's in the US. there's the possibility of doing a show like 'rove' in oz, i guess, but andy k has stressed their return to playing live is a huge thing to them - whether it's on a syndey stage or tv show. i'm sure lots is being discussed, and we'll just have to wait and see what they decide.
the next thing they're gearing up for - in the UK anyway - is promoting the 'anysound' single.
Co0o0o0l
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Apr 10 2006, 05:25 PM)
and i
you for saying that, aurelie. you give 'em what for, helen!
letterman? no, cos that's in the US. there's the possibility of doing a show like 'rove' in oz, i guess, but andy k has stressed their return to playing live is a huge thing to them - whether it's on a syndey stage or tv show. i'm sure lots is being discussed, and we'll just have to wait and see what they decide.
the next thing they're gearing up for - in the UK anyway - is promoting the 'anysound' single.
I would think that making a video would affect the Aspergers more than playing for a TV show, but that's just me.
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