Full Version: It's over?
Now that most of us have heard, 'Vision Valley', I've realised, "What's going to happen now?". They're not touring, their videos are garbage so, they're not that good to look out for, I doubt they'll do another 'Sessions @ AOL'. I mean, seriously, what do we have to look forward to now? Apart from a new album in 2-3 years time.
I haven't heard it...
QUOTE(Ihatemusic @ Apr 2 2006, 03:02 PM) 
I haven't heard it...
That's why I said "most of us", so, you're not eligible to post quite yet. Bye now.
Well, okay, I probably still get what you're on about and I'd say: go back to what you've been doing till now, focus on other bands, listen to their first two albums if you feel like it. Uh, big deal.
QUOTE(omgwtf @ Apr 2 2006, 03:01 PM)
Now that most of us have heard, 'Vision Valley', I've realised, "What's going to happen now?". They're not touring, their videos are garbage so, they're not that good to look out for, I doubt they'll do another 'Sessions @ AOL'. I mean, seriously, what do we have to look forward to now? Apart from a new album in 2-3 years time.
I get what you mean, like craigs not all "there" in the videos
its quite upsetting actually, im sure it will get better tho, people who says its purely AS are having a laugh, I mean he was ok before his breakdown with his "AS"... weed messed him up at the end of the day...
I think it was a combination of things... I mean, if it was really just the marijuana, he'll get better, his mind will be clearer, and, if that's what caused the melt-down, then, they might change their minds, and go on tour again...
I wouldn't say it's over. It's only over if you say it's over, and, if The Vines are going to have fans like that, then, well, it is over, isn't it?
I wouldn't say it's over. It's only over if you say it's over, and, if The Vines are going to have fans like that, then, well, it is over, isn't it?
Um, it wasn't "just the marijuana", he has a mental illness.
And I don't think it's been established without doubt that they won't tour, or anything of the sort. It seems pretty clear from interviews that they're up for some sort of touring if they can work out all of the issues so it's still possible.
And I don't think it's been established without doubt that they won't tour, or anything of the sort. It seems pretty clear from interviews that they're up for some sort of touring if they can work out all of the issues so it's still possible.
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Um, it wasn't "just the marijuana", he has a mental illness.
And I don't think it's been established without doubt that they won't tour, or anything of the sort. It seems pretty clear from interviews that they're up for some sort of touring if they can work out all of the issues so it's still possible.
And I don't think it's been established without doubt that they won't tour, or anything of the sort. It seems pretty clear from interviews that they're up for some sort of touring if they can work out all of the issues so it's still possible.
Ugh, geez, somebody get with it. I never said it was JUST the marijuana. It was a combination of things... The pot just contributed to his mental illness...
And, I heard somewhere that they don't have any plans to tour... If they do anything, it'd be small show in a club, or something. I doubt anything wicked ultimate... *sighs*
.-.
I wouldn't count on it, however, I wouldn't exactly say that it was over.
fucking pessimistics. 
the vines are open to playing some shows, though the extent of any touring and where they might go is still to be determined.
they are also planning on doing some more online vids for fans since that works well for them, and singles will continue to be released from the album over the course of the next several months. they also have some more interviews lined up, they're simply taking it at a slower pace.
the band, mgmt and label don't want the album to disappear - the opposite, they'd like to see it slowly build or at least sell steadily.
as a fan who waited two years to see them make a new album, i'm more than happy with the results, and if it takes them two more years to do another one, i'll be ready for it.
they are also planning on doing some more online vids for fans since that works well for them, and singles will continue to be released from the album over the course of the next several months. they also have some more interviews lined up, they're simply taking it at a slower pace.
the band, mgmt and label don't want the album to disappear - the opposite, they'd like to see it slowly build or at least sell steadily.
as a fan who waited two years to see them make a new album, i'm more than happy with the results, and if it takes them two more years to do another one, i'll be ready for it.
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Apr 2 2006, 06:15 PM)
they are also planning on doing some more online vids for fans since that works well for them, and singles will continue to be released from the album over the course of the next several months. they also have some more interviews lined up, they're simply taking it at a slower pace.
Which is better, cause that means the holy goodness will last for a much much longer time..
Its not over
QUOTE(Not To Touch The Earth @ Apr 2 2006, 06:25 PM)
Its not over
Why, it's only the beginning.
Dan, ye of little faith.
QUOTE(XAnimalxMachineX @ Apr 2 2006, 07:07 PM)
Ugh, geez, somebody get with it. I never said it was JUST the marijuana. It was a combination of things... The pot just contributed to his mental illness...
And, I heard somewhere that they don't have any plans to tour... If they do anything, it'd be small show in a club, or something. I doubt anything wicked ultimate... *sighs*
.-.
I wouldn't count on it, however, I wouldn't exactly say that it was over.
This is what you said:
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I mean, if it was really just the marijuana, he'll get better, his mind will be clearer, and, if that's what caused the melt-down, then, they might change their minds, and go on tour again...
Besides which, he was born with his illness. He'll never really get "better", he'll just learn coping skills and take medication to keep him in a hopefully better place mentally. Often people with undiagnosed problems like Craig will self-medicate, which is part of the reason he smoked so much pot.
And "I heard somewhere" is hardly the definitive answer is it? Every interview they've done Craig has said he wants to tour. The only reason they haven't so far is that his management and family want to make sure it's done right and doesn't turn into the circus it was before.
QUOTE(Winning.Days @ Apr 2 2006, 08:10 PM)
fucking pessimistics.
pessimists*
QUOTE(Tinkerbell @ Apr 2 2006, 06:42 PM)
Every interview they've done Craig has said he wants to tour. The only reason they haven't so far is that his management and family want to make sure it's done right and doesn't turn into the circus it was before.
Well that's the thing. Craig would have to take tiny baby steps, and test the waters,. We want the healthiest happiest Craig ever.
QUOTE(Vinechild @ Apr 2 2006, 06:34 PM)
Why, it's only the beginning.
Dan, ye of little faith.
yes faith is good always
QUOTE(Vinechild @ Apr 2 2006, 07:05 PM)
Well that's the thing. Craig would have to take tiny baby steps, and test the waters,. We want the healthiest happiest Craig ever.
a healthiest happiest Craig is what i want too, it doesnt matter if they dont tour but i would like to see them live once in my life time but i rather for them to write and record then having nothing at all
it doesnt mean its over .... as long as the band is still making music
QUOTE(Aesthetic_Dame @ Apr 2 2006, 07:56 PM)
pessimists*
thanks lizz.
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Besides which, he was born with his illness. He'll never really get "better", he'll just learn coping skills and take medication to keep him in a hopefully better place mentally. Often people with undiagnosed problems like Craig will self-medicate, which is part of the reason he smoked so much pot.
And "I heard somewhere" is hardly the definitive answer is it? Every interview they've done Craig has said he wants to tour. The only reason they haven't so far is that his management and family want to make sure it's done right and doesn't turn into the circus it was before.
And "I heard somewhere" is hardly the definitive answer is it? Every interview they've done Craig has said he wants to tour. The only reason they haven't so far is that his management and family want to make sure it's done right and doesn't turn into the circus it was before.
When I said, get better, I didn't mean, SHAZAMTOTALLYFREEOFALLPROBLEMSOMG. I'm just saying, it will be -helped-, not cured.
Ugh. Fuck. Fuck it. I hate it when people look too deeply into what I say.
QUOTE(omgwtf @ Apr 2 2006, 11:03 AM)
That's why I said "most of us", so, you're not eligible to post quite yet. Bye now.
man.. you suck.. but i love it.. hahaha
Actually. Let me just take a real breif moment to set the record straight. (Hah, pun.)
It's so not over. If it was over, then, it would of been over a long time ago. It would of been over the moment Craig kicked that photographer in the face.
Thing is, if The Vines work this far to make another album under these conditions, they'll continue to do so. If they've got the will to do it, it's gonna happen, and it will happen over, and over again, if fans stay loyal, and maintain their hope, and patience. If everybody thinks it's over, then, well, hell, it will end. But, by the looks of it, -most- people here love The Vines enough to wait, and offer their support.
Over time, I think Craig's going to get better. NOT BE CURED OF ASPERGER'S SYNDROME. That is NOT what I mean, for idiots out there who'd like to think that. What I believe is that, mentally, he's gonna be a lot better. I mean, I'm sure the pot didn't help the AS. His diet didn't help the AS. But, you know what? He stopped pot, as far as I'm concerned, he's improved his diet. Things will look brighter. Of course, the sun isn't going to crash through the window, and be the almighty curer of all ailments (infact, that'd be just plain cancerous), but, there's going to be more relief. There's going to be less stress.
Chances are, they're not going to do the traditional touring. If anything, a show here, and there. But, I wouldn't get my hopes up for Craig to jump up, and say, "LOLZ LETZ TOUR GUYZ". But, hell, who knows. I just wouldn't put my hopes up.
Of course, they'd have to do something promotional for their new album. And if fans stay LOYAL and the people pay attention, they'll do just fine, because The Vines have that kind of talent. Anybody who's a fan knows that. And, if you have your doubts, then, well, what else can I say? Maybe re-evaluate your life? I don't know.
But, it's definitely not over.
It's so not over. If it was over, then, it would of been over a long time ago. It would of been over the moment Craig kicked that photographer in the face.
Thing is, if The Vines work this far to make another album under these conditions, they'll continue to do so. If they've got the will to do it, it's gonna happen, and it will happen over, and over again, if fans stay loyal, and maintain their hope, and patience. If everybody thinks it's over, then, well, hell, it will end. But, by the looks of it, -most- people here love The Vines enough to wait, and offer their support.
Over time, I think Craig's going to get better. NOT BE CURED OF ASPERGER'S SYNDROME. That is NOT what I mean, for idiots out there who'd like to think that. What I believe is that, mentally, he's gonna be a lot better. I mean, I'm sure the pot didn't help the AS. His diet didn't help the AS. But, you know what? He stopped pot, as far as I'm concerned, he's improved his diet. Things will look brighter. Of course, the sun isn't going to crash through the window, and be the almighty curer of all ailments (infact, that'd be just plain cancerous), but, there's going to be more relief. There's going to be less stress.
Chances are, they're not going to do the traditional touring. If anything, a show here, and there. But, I wouldn't get my hopes up for Craig to jump up, and say, "LOLZ LETZ TOUR GUYZ". But, hell, who knows. I just wouldn't put my hopes up.
Of course, they'd have to do something promotional for their new album. And if fans stay LOYAL and the people pay attention, they'll do just fine, because The Vines have that kind of talent. Anybody who's a fan knows that. And, if you have your doubts, then, well, what else can I say? Maybe re-evaluate your life? I don't know.
But, it's definitely not over.
Oh yeah, and for all of those, who still dare to think that it's over, I got one thing to say to ya'll.
"Fuck."
"Fuck."
...relax
take a valium or something
take a valium or something
I shall take nothing, because, it's true. That's my opinion. If it seems radical, then so be it, but, I'm not going to tone it down at the risk of sounding brash, or pissed.
Plus, I felt motivational. OKAY!?
I knew it'd go unappreciated. *sigh*
Plus, I felt motivational. OKAY!?
I knew it'd go unappreciated. *sigh*
not so much of it seemed radical
just a whole lot of passion about a whole lot of nothing really
just a whole lot of passion about a whole lot of nothing really
Well, I'm just a very passionate person. What can I say? 
Plus, I'm overtired, and overstressed, I'm bound to get very overpassionate.
I felt like Martin Luther King Jr. for a moment there.
Plus, I'm overtired, and overstressed, I'm bound to get very overpassionate.I felt like Martin Luther King Jr. for a moment there.
I don't think when Dan says "it's over" he's stating that the band is over 
. I think what it means is that now the wait and the build up for the album is gone it's like "well...what now?" And I sort of understand that feeling, like we haven't really got anything to look forward to in a big way...yet.
Of course, there's always the hope that a way can be arranged for the band to do some shows without it having an impact on Craig's health or mental stability, and then there's videos and interviews etc...
But really I think that's kind of what it's like for every band once an anticipated album is out...the only difference here I think is the uncertainty of touring and the success of the album commercially-which may effect whether they're able to release another album-but again it's still too early to predict how well VV will do.
Anyway we still have interviews, at least 1 other video to look forward to and hopefully more albums to come. I hold out hope that something can be arranged for live shows or another "Sessions @AOL" type dealie can be worked out.
Faith children, faith and calm down
. I think what it means is that now the wait and the build up for the album is gone it's like "well...what now?" And I sort of understand that feeling, like we haven't really got anything to look forward to in a big way...yet. Of course, there's always the hope that a way can be arranged for the band to do some shows without it having an impact on Craig's health or mental stability, and then there's videos and interviews etc...
But really I think that's kind of what it's like for every band once an anticipated album is out...the only difference here I think is the uncertainty of touring and the success of the album commercially-which may effect whether they're able to release another album-but again it's still too early to predict how well VV will do.
Anyway we still have interviews, at least 1 other video to look forward to and hopefully more albums to come. I hold out hope that something can be arranged for live shows or another "Sessions @AOL" type dealie can be worked out.
Faith children, faith and calm down
QUOTE(XAnimalxMachineX @ Apr 3 2006, 02:04 AM)
Well, I'm just a very passionate person. What can I say?
Plus, I'm overtired, and overstressed, I'm bound to get very overpassionate.I felt like Martin Luther King Jr. for a moment there.
yeah but you came off more like Jesse Jackson
Well.
Fuck.
I just did a motivational speech for nothing?!
wsdnasklnaskldnaskldnkla
Maybe I AM Jesse Jackson. >_>
Fuck.
I just did a motivational speech for nothing?!
wsdnasklnaskldnaskldnkla
Maybe I AM Jesse Jackson. >_>
pretty much
Uuuugh. Fuck, fuck, fuck.
Well. STILL.
*sighs and rubs eyes, muttering beneath breath for a brief moment*
It was still passionate, powerful, and emotional, and that's all that counts.
Well. STILL.
*sighs and rubs eyes, muttering beneath breath for a brief moment*
It was still passionate, powerful, and emotional, and that's all that counts.
whatever makes you sleep at night
QUOTE(clever_napkins @ Apr 2 2006, 11:09 PM)
I don't think when Dan says "it's over" he's stating that the band is over
. I think what it means is that now the wait and the build up for the album is gone it's like "well...what now?" Yeah, thats what i thought too. And awww....Dan cares..he already misses the boys..
Ugh. You know what? *eyes well up, as I point to you from across the room*
It's people like YOU, who have no fait, and dignity, that keep me up at night! Crushing my dreams, and aspirations!
I will NOT sleep tonight, thank you! Infact, I will cry! I will cry until I pass out from the pain of you stepping on my heart and self-esteem!
You'll see! One day, my dreams will come true! And you'll wish that you were the one I could thank in my dedication speech, when I win that Nobel Prize!
Okay. I'm seriously going to bed now.
It's people like YOU, who have no fait, and dignity, that keep me up at night! Crushing my dreams, and aspirations!
I will NOT sleep tonight, thank you! Infact, I will cry! I will cry until I pass out from the pain of you stepping on my heart and self-esteem!
You'll see! One day, my dreams will come true! And you'll wish that you were the one I could thank in my dedication speech, when I win that Nobel Prize!
Okay. I'm seriously going to bed now.
I have faith
More singles/videos and a show in Melbourne I hope!
I just meant, now that the hype is over and we've got what we've been waiting for, what is there now? Not alot really.
There chart placing of VV and seeing how 'Anysound' does. Should be a top 10 hit for the band.
This entire thread was filled with shit arguments...HOWEVER! it just shows why Lizzy is such a bad ass mutha fucka...I just kept scrollin' through all the shit to see her frank and hilarious responses 
QUOTE(rough_diamond @ Apr 3 2006, 10:12 AM)
There chart placing of VV and seeing how 'Anysound' does. Should be a top 10 hit for the band.
OMG GUYZ, TEH VINES R NUMBA 1 LOL, THIS IS DA BEST DAY EVA!!!111.
Judging by the "charts" today, that's not something to be proud of, it really isn't. Also, how is that exciting in the slightest?
Its only just begun! If this is what Craig can do mucking around, I cant wait to see what he comes up with when he really tries. Some bands travel around the world seeking inspiration to come up with an album one tenth as good as Vision Valley, which I am loving EVEN MORE with every listen. When I say mucking around I mean its sounds like he was just playing and writing for himself until others (Ryan, Hamish, Andy etc) made damn sure they would be released - because they were that good.
Keep stirring shit OMGWTF, while you do the positive reviews keep flooding in and the Vines will be releasing albums long after you have left here!!
Keep stirring shit OMGWTF, while you do the positive reviews keep flooding in and the Vines will be releasing albums long after you have left here!!
Yeah, I'm actually more excited than ever!!! I'm so impressed with the album and glad that reviews so far have been excellent in the UK and pretty good in Australia. I haven't seen any real bad reviews, but who could possibly write one about a record so good? And it is really impressive that Craig has overcome so much and the band has put out a record that is arguably their best album yet! And they seem to be planning to definately do some shows...as well as some other plans that Jen (wonkytooth) has mentioned. I do find it odd the way they are promoting the album but I'm just hoping so much that it will do well 
QUOTE(Lunastar1979 @ Apr 3 2006, 05:47 AM)
This entire thread was filled with shit arguments...HOWEVER! it just shows why Lizzy is such a bad ass mutha fucka...I just kept scrollin' through all the shit to see her frank and hilarious responses yeah thats right
I'm a bad ass
i think they will do an aol session. because i always thought that the vines will make some kind of home live videos for the fans. so aol is a good way to do it. dont you think?
I don't think the Vines will stop making music until Craig is 75 and sitting in some retirement village. By then they'll have gone through 10 drummers and 20 bassists.
The new album makes me extremely happy.
I can live with the fact that they can't tour anymore as long as they keep making music.
I can live with the fact that they can't tour anymore as long as they keep making music.
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