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wonkytooth
An interview with Craig that includes positive news about possible live shows in Australia and abroad, and we learn who the 'mystery' bassist is on the album - Andy Kent from You Am I! biggrin.gif


Reflowering of the Vines
The Sydney band burst on to the planet's rock stage, then faded. Now, as a three-man outfit, they're back, writes Iain Shedden
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March 17, 2006
THE offices of management company Winterman and Goldstein are like a shrine to one of their most successful charges, Sydney rock band the Vines. As one climbs the stairs of the outwardly innocuous suburban house in Sydney's inner west, gold and platinum records share wall space with blown-up magazine covers, most bearing the faces of four fresh-faced musos who, four years ago, found themselves to be the hottest rock'n'roll property on the planet.

In 2001 the Vines emerged from their garage in the Sydney suburb of Hurstville with a bunch of demo tapes and signed to Capitol Records in the US. They released a debut album, Highly Evolved (2002), that went on to sell 1.5 million copies and inspired praise of them as the new Beatles and Nirvana for the noughties.

They looked - and sounded - like contenders for world domination.

It's difficult to reconcile these statistics and emblems of the Vines' rock stardom with the three figures huddled around the conference room table in front of me. The remaining members of the band - singer and guitarist Craig Nicholls, drummer Hamish Rosser and guitarist Ryan Griffiths - look as if they would be best placed in a hospital waiting room. Rosser has a brace on his left knee following a tumble in the surf last weekend. Griffiths is walking with a stick after dislocating his knee while wrestling a dog called Jet, the name, ironically, of the Melbourne band that has replaced the Vines as our most promising rock export (and also in the Winterman and Goldstein camp). Then there's Nicholls, the songwriter, frontman and focal point of all that has been good and bad about the Vines during their short career. He doesn't appear to have any physical scars but he is looking pale and distant.

This is hardly the kind of shape you'd want to be in when you're about to release your third album, one on which your collective future may depend. Still, it will come as a surprise to many that the Vines even exist after the events of the past 18 months.

It was in 2004, during a world tour to promote their ill-fated second album Winning Days, that the wheels began to fall off the Vines' juggernaut. Nicholls, notorious for his difficult personality, stage tantrums and run-ins with fellow band members, was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, a form of autism that affects the sufferer's ability to function in social situations.

The diagnosis, while explaining - and to a degree admonishing - Nicholls's volatile behaviour, did not bode well for the band's future. Playing in front of thousands of people every night is hardly the ideal environment for someone with his condition.

An incident at a show in Sydney's Annandale Hotel in November 2004 in which Nicholls damaged a photographer's camera and disgruntled bass player Patrick Matthews left the stage early, never to return, brought matters to a head.

The show's sponsors, radio network Triple M, banned them from the airwaves and suggested that Nicholls and Matthews would soon be back where they had met, flipping burgers in McDonald's.

Afterwards, the band announced that they were taking an indefinite break, which in music-biz terms can often read as a euphemism for breaking up.

Yet here we are in March 2006 and the Vines, despite their physical and mental trials - and without a permanent bass player - are about to release a new album, one they hope will put their detractors in a spin and repair much of the damage that was done when Winning Days failed to impress the critics and Nicholls's behaviour put them and fans offside.

The signs are good. The new album, Vision Valley, boasts 13 short, incisive pop songs that bear all the hallmarks of Highly Evolved, combining Nicholls's gift for great pop hooks with the power and urgency of a dynamic and inventive rock band. If radio programmers can get their head around the title, the first single from it, the instantly gratifying Don't Listen to the Radio, should be enough to re-establish their commercial credentials.

"That song had quite a different arrangement initially," Nicholls says in a rare moment of enthusiasm. "But for the most part we didn't change the songs that much. They were all pretty simple ideas and they came together pretty easily this time."

The problem is whether the Vines will be able to build on any success that song or the album brings, whether Nicholls's condition will allow them to claw their way back to the top, no matter how good their album may be. In conversation, he doesn't strike you as someone capable of coping with the demands of world touring. He doesn't look well.

When Nicholls was first diagnosed the band's manager, Andy Kelly, said the Vines would have to seriously curtail the kind of touring that is required of an internationally successful act.

Their promotional campaign this time is being restricted as well. Interviews are conducted only as a band and any other commitments, such as photo shoots and making film clips, are designed not to put too much pressure on the singer.

So far so good. His interview technique remains brief and his attention tends to wander. (He frequently exchanges knowing, giggly glances with the other two, but it's not clear about what.) He won't talk directly about his health other than to say he is "definitely feeling good", before diverting the conversation back to his album.

Nicholls is, however, much more positive than when he was fending flak on the back of the last album, although he says he wasn't really feeling the pressure on him at the time. "I remember that tour being OK," he says. "It wasn't until after that tour, after a few months, that it [the pressure] started to build up." After his diagnosis and when the media frenzy had died down, Nicholls settled to doing what he does best, which is write and record songs. He says there was a freedom to work at his own pace for Vision Valley that was similar to the formative period of the band five years ago.

"Just having the time to do it was good," he says. "We could just focus on that. I could write as much as I wanted and record as much as I wanted. All the songs came together pretty quickly around the same time. We rehearsed and did a bunch of demos, and that seemed to work pretty well."

Unlike the previous two albums, which were recorded in Los Angeles and New York respectively, Vision Valley was recorded in a handful of Sydney studios, again to make life easier for its creator. Andy Kent, bassist in Melbourne rock band You Am I, was drafted in to play on the album and he may also be involved in any live performances this year. The group hasn't been actively looking for a permanent replacement for Matthews.

Although Rosser says "the future was uncertain for a while", Nicholls asserts that there was never any intention for the band to split. "I don't think so. We just needed a break" is how he puts it, while Griffiths describes post-touring as a period where "we just needed time to eat and sleep and do normal things".

Rosser expects the band to play shows again, "although we have to get ourselves fit first. It's lucky we didn't have a massive tour booked. We don't have a bass player either, but I think we'll overcome these obstacles and do a few shows."

Nicholls, too, is looking forward to playing live again, albeit in reduced circumstances. His volatile nature was part of the band's attraction live, especially when the band burst through, first in Britain and then in the US.

When Nicholls went slightly berserk on the set of the David Letterman show, as the band performed their first hit, Get Free, punters across the world took notice.

It will be interesting to see how much of the awkward, guitar-smashing, foul-mouthed banshee of old remains if, or when, that return to the stage takes place. The plan so far is to test the water with a few Australian shows this year before committing to anything overseas, particularly in the US, where Capitol will be looking for the band to capitalise on its investment. It was the US label that brought forward the release date of the album from June to April 1.

In the meantime the threesome will content themselves with making a few videos and conducting interviews with select media across the globe.

"I'm coping," Nicholls says. "I'm looking forward to doing the shows and we're not going to do as much promotion this time."

Rosser, who has been filling in with other bands during the Vines' down time, is philosophical about their chances.

He says there has been little pressure on them to bounce back because "most people thought we had broken up anyway. It's good to come back with an album like this when most people had already written us off. Just getting back together has exceeded most people's expectations. So we've proved them wrong. Take that."

The Vines' Vision Valley is released by EMI on April 1.
Vine ♠ Child
Thanks for sharing that wonky. biggrin.gif
Clelia
Thank you for that. It was really good.

I am glad they all seem positive about the album and the future.

I do hope they will come and play a couple of shows in the Uk if they feel up to it.
Loridae
Thank you Jen! A good read, quite insightful.

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Griffiths is walking with a stick after dislocating his knee while wrestling a dog


*tries not to laugh*...... biggrin.gif

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It was the US label that brought forward the release date of the album from June to April 1.


blink.gif Could you imagine....waiting a whole extra 2 months. Shudder the thought.


marilyn_monroe
ohmy.gif ohmy.gif this is so cool! Andy Kent did play on the album!! cool.gif

Poor Hamish and Ryan though sad.gif how unlucky! And to happen at the same time. Very odd mellow.gif . I'm just glad it wasn't anything worse!

Oh they sound quite optimistic about doing shows! That's great! Just as long as it doesn't spiral out of control. But I'm sure they wouldn't allow that to happen. Craig sure seems up to it though...
wonkytooth
QUOTE(Loridae @ Mar 16 2006, 11:00 AM)
blink.gif  Could you imagine....waiting a whole extra 2 months.
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no. mellow.gif the long wait has already been so painful. dramaqueen.gif

but i do wonder what capitol's reasons are for pushing it up? does that show confidence in the band that they rushed it to sooner? huh.gif
Feedums
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Mar 16 2006, 03:04 PM)
In conversation, he doesn't strike you as someone capable of coping with the demands of world touring. He doesn't look well.
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sad.gif Poor baby. I hope he's really ok.

Thanks for posting Jen. <3
Vine ♠ Child
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In conversation, he doesn't strike you as someone capable of coping with the demands of world touring. He doesn't look well.

Cant go by that. That reminds me. I remember reading an article about director James Cameron once, and he said that in the beginning, Leonardo didnt strike him as being capable of pulling off the part of "Jack" in Titanic. He appeared to be flaky and what-not, and James was seriously having his doubts. But as soon as Leo said a few lines? it was like magic!! and of course he got the part.
So it may be like this with Craig too. One cannot judge from just meeting up with the person, what they are capable of when it comes to their gift. smile.gif
marilyn_monroe
Yeah, it seems in these new articles they always make him sound like he's unwell. I hope he's feeling well on the inside, even if he looks a pale or out of it on the outside. But he says he's well and seems optimistic about shows and stuff. So that's great.
wonkytooth
the writer doesn't say craig can't do any of this - he said based on his looks, he 'strikes' you as someone who can't.

i'm sure a lot of people thought the vines were over and done, as hamish said, but craig and the boys proved them wrong there didn't they? wink.gif
marilyn_monroe
Yes, just the fact that the made this album (which I'm sure is BRILLIANT) is accomplishment enough. And I'm sure they wouldn't do shows if the people closest to Craig thought he wasn't capable at the time.
Vine ♠ Child
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Mar 16 2006, 08:22 AM)
the writer doesn't say craig can't do any of this - he said based on his looks, he 'strikes' you as someone who can't.

I know that. But james didnt think leo could do it either, going by his outward behavior at the time. But leo proved wrong. I bet craig will prove wrong too, and the writer shouldnt have even brought that up. It souds so negative. dry.gif
wonkytooth
but in all honestly, craig does look like he's been thru a tough time - because he has!! in some ways, i feel it's important for the writers to address this so people will understand that - remember, some people think the AS diagnosis is a crock of shit and craig is just a brat. mad.gif

far from it!! the band, mgmt and label need to be upfront about craig's condition to show that, despite it all, craig is as committed to his music as he always has been...he's just going to have to go about promoting it in ways that accommodate him. i'm thankful they're doing just that.
Brooklyn Girl
Someone on DTI had reported Andy Kent was the bassist on the new album but surprisingly W&G wanted to keep this quiet (I still have no idea why) blink.gif so we could neither confirm nor deny even though we already knew it was true. sad.gif
Vine ♠ Child
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Mar 16 2006, 08:45 AM)
but in all honestly, craig does look like he's been thru a tough time - because he has!! in some ways, i feel it's important for the writers to address this so people will understand that - remember, some people think the AS diagnosis is a crock of shit and craig is just a brat.  mad.gif

I know, what idgits! mad.gif how could anyone think he made it up. rolleyes.gif
wonkytooth
QUOTE(Brooklyn Girl @ Mar 16 2006, 11:49 AM)
Someone on DTI had reported Andy Kent was the bassist on the new album but surprisingly W&G wanted to keep this quiet (I still have no idea why)  blink.gif so we could neither confirm nor deny even though we already knew it was true. sad.gif
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andy/14Hz posted that same information here at .com back in the summer.

maybe mgmt had to keep mum for contractual reasons. you am i just finished recording an album and are about to do some live shows - coming out and saying andy kent was playing on the vines album may have confused things for both bands.
Brooklyn Girl
Craig is still very fragile but it would be great to see the band play live again. *sigh*

What they should do is play a one-time special performance. I know lots will disagree because we all live in different places but if it's limited, imagine how quickly it would sell out?
Lunastar1979
I read that this morning before school but didn't have time to respond and I've been pray.gif since! I hope they come here, too! blush.gif
Brooklyn Girl
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Mar 16 2006, 11:55 AM)
andy/14Hz posted that same information here at .com back in the summer.
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Yeah that's who it was. Didn't know he posted on both forums.
wonkytooth
i don't think they'll have a problem selling out any shows in oz - depending on the venue. think of the people who would come just because they're curious to see them. rolleyes.gif

my gut tells me they'll so some live shows in oz, build some confidence there, and then hit a few major cities in the U.S. and UK - at least. but as for a timetable for all that? i've no idea. mellow.gif
Brooklyn Girl
They'll definitely do shows in Oz, there's no question there, but not too many. And I believe they will do shows in England but unfortunately shows in the US are still iffy. sad.gif
Vine ♠ Child
QUOTE(Brooklyn Girl @ Mar 16 2006, 09:11 AM)
They'll definitely do shows in Oz, there's no question there, but not too many. And I believe they will do shows in England but unfortunately shows in the US are still iffy. sad.gif
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You know this for a fact?
wonkytooth
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The plan so far is to test the water with a few Australian shows this year before committing to anything overseas, particularly in the US, where Capitol will be looking for the band to capitalise on its investment.


they're not saying 'no' the US - the article indicates otherwise implying capitol would probably love some U.S. shows for the money.

they understand the importance of the US and UK markets - they're putting craig's health first, tho, as just they should. smile.gif
Loridae
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Mar 16 2006, 04:11 PM)
but i do wonder what capitol's reasons are for pushing it up? does that show confidence in the band that they rushed it to sooner?  huh.gif
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I don't know much about record company marketing tactics, but you would think so wouldn't you. I can't think why'd they'd dither with a record they're happy with and think will make them money. I guess the sooner they release the record, the sooner they can think about shows, maybe take advantage of summer festivals?
I mean that's what I read into the below quote, but that's because the journalist linked the two:

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particularly in the US, where Capitol will be looking for the band to capitalise on its investment. It was the US label that brought forward the release date of the album from June to April 1.


But to be honest, I don't think they'd have a problem selling out dates whenever they are. There's a hardcore of fans out there eager to see them.

I don't know, maybe records do better released at certain times of the year or perhaps they looked at what else was being released around those times? huh.gif

But it seems more a case of striking while the iron's hot. Many people wanted Wayne Connolly to produce it and a more raw sound and that's what we've got. Reaction of fans to the songs so far has been positive, so go for it!

QUOTE("Brooklyn Girl")
What they should do is play a one-time special performance.


Yes and stream it or make a dvd of it, so we can all see! pray.gif

Brooklyn Girl
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Mar 16 2006, 12:17 PM)
they're not saying 'no' the US -  the article indicates otherwise implying capitol would probably love some U.S. shows for the money.

they understand the importance of the US and UK markets - they're putting craig's health first, tho, as just they should.  smile.gif
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According to Capitol US and I quote, "No US." Of course that can change but as of right now, that's where they (the label) stand.
wonkytooth
of course that's the party line until they see how things go in oz. and it's the truth - at this time, no US dates.

doesn't mean there won't be in the future. wink.gif
Brooklyn Girl
QUOTE(Loridae @ Mar 16 2006, 12:36 PM)
QUOTE("Brooklyn Girl")
What they should do is play a one-time special performance.

Yes and stream it or make a dvd of it, so we can all see! pray.gif
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I heard they are considering streaming a performance but it's still being discussed--nothing definite.
wonkytooth
QUOTE(Loridae @ Mar 16 2006, 12:36 PM)
But to be honest, I don't think they'd have a problem selling out dates whenever they are. There's a hardcore of fans out there eager to see them.


i agree completely! they're not going to sell out stadiums, but if they were to play a select few cities, they have enough of a fanbase who'd be willing to travel to see these special shows that ticket sales shouldn't be a problem.


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I don't know, maybe records do better released at certain times of the year or perhaps they looked at what else was being released around those times?  huh.gif


summer and christmas are usually the big releases - summer to lead into summer tours and christmas for, duh, christmas sales. tongue.gif but last i heard, jet was set to release their next album may/june so they may have bumped the vines up so they wouldn't be competing for label/mgmt attention.

also, i do think the label has confidence in the record or they would have requested they go back to the studio and work on it some more. capitol did that with liz phair in the past.

wonkytooth
QUOTE(Brooklyn Girl @ Mar 16 2006, 12:45 PM)
I heard they are considering streaming a performance but it's still being discussed--nothing definite.
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that was one of our .com suggestions - in fact, they've done quite a few of the suggestions we sent in. smile.gif
Brooklyn Girl
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Mar 16 2006, 12:39 PM)
of course that's the party line until they see how things go in oz. and it's the truth - at this time, no US dates.

doesn't mean there won't be in the  future.  wink.gif
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I don't like to take anything for granted and considering Craig, I can understand why they are still saying No to the US for now. Flying to the UK is one thing, but it's even harder doiing US shows (because it's so massive and far away).
wonkytooth
l.a. is closer to sydney than london, right c? biggrin.gif

andy k said 'no' to live shows several months back as well. it's the smart thing to do really - don't promise anything and then no one gets disappointed..only pleasantly surprised. wink.gif
Brooklyn Girl
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Mar 16 2006, 12:48 PM)
that was one of our .com suggestions - in fact, they've done quite a few of the suggestions we sent in.  smile.gif
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Not only .com's. wink.gif
clash4life
That has to be my favorite interview so far. It had the same ideas like all of the rest of the interviews. But i really like how he told the readers about how they are physicaly. Which is sad that they both hurt there knee around the same time. Really good thanks for posting Wonky.
wonkytooth
ryan wrestling a dog takes the cake - and the dog obvs won!! laugh.gif

Brooklyn Girl
That must have been some dog. I hope it wasn't a chihuahua.
Loridae
QUOTE(Brooklyn Girl @ Mar 16 2006, 05:45 PM)
I heard they are considering streaming a performance but it's still being discussed--nothing definite.
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Yay! Let it be! pray.gif

QUOTE("Wonkytooth")
also, i do think the label has confidence in the record or they would have requested they go back to the studio and work on it some more.


QUOTE("Wonkytooth")
but last i heard, jet was set to release their next album may/june so they may have bumped the vines up so they wouldn't be competing for label/mgmt attention.



Exactly. And they have so much confidence in the Vines record that they moved it ahead of Jets. That feels gooood! wink.gif


Lunastar1979
QUOTE(Brooklyn Girl @ Mar 16 2006, 10:21 AM)
That must have been some dog. I hope it wasn't a chihuahua.
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laugh.gif perhaps it was Craig's COCKer spanial? confused0006.gif
Brooklyn Girl
QUOTE(Lunastar1979 @ Mar 16 2006, 04:03 PM)
laugh.gif perhaps it was Craig's COCKer spanial? confused0006.gif
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Eww! laugh.gif
Lunastar1979
Haha, you know you looove it! No matter how much people on here may hate the gay, they love the mental pictures every now and again. 490.gif
clash4life
Ahhhhhhh hahah thats tough to say i definately dont get those images.
marilyn_monroe
QUOTE(wonkytooth @ Mar 17 2006, 04:54 AM)
l.a. is closer to sydney than london, right c?  biggrin.gif

andy k said 'no' to live shows several months back as well. it's the smart thing to do really - don't promise anything and then no one gets disappointed..only pleasantly surprised.  wink.gif
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Yeah, without a doubt LA is closer than London (to Oz).

Yep, I think it's good that Andy K has been careful not to 'promise' anything and let fans down. That's the way to go!
clash4life
I'd have to agree with that.
Brooklyn Girl
QUOTE(Lunastar1979 @ Mar 16 2006, 04:54 PM)
Haha, you know you looove it! No matter how much people on here may hate the gay, they love the mental pictures every now and again. 490.gif
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gypseyrou2005
good lord thats a long article blink.gif
Maxwell Demon
aw
Hamish hurt himself

i should go make him feel better
::cough::

anyways thanks Jen!
that article was nice
marilyn_monroe
^^teehee wink.gif
allie9609
Thanks Jen! *goes off to scour the newsagents for the newspaper*

I loved the bit about Australian shows most I think wink.gif yahoo.gif . But since Ryan and Hamish seem to be out of action at the moment I don't think there'll be any for quite a few weeks yet laugh.gif . Aww poor babies - haha especially Ryan - dislocating his knee playing with a dog? blink.gif That takes the cake laugh.gif .
allie9609
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marilyn_monroe
Oh cool biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Nice big picture!!!
lalalalano
It's huge!! blink.gif biggrin.gif That's so awesome. That's today's right?...hmmm I might just go pick one up actually.
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