Originally posted on DTI
http://www.dreamintheinsane.com/phpBB2/vie...p?p=22203#22203

After reading the recent NME article, I was curious to know more about the rest of the songs on the album, as well as the release date, possible touring and their bass player situation. Here's the latest news from Vines manager, Andy Kelly:

Craig is keen to not give all the song titles away yet until they completely finish recording, so at the moment the songs Wayne mentioned are the ones they agreed to talk about. They have done 13 in all and most of the tracking is done, with guide vocals. They are taking a couple of weeks off at the moment and will resume again in a the middle of November for two weeks or so to finish off all the vocals and extra overdubs that are still to be finished. It sounds pretty excellent at the moment I must say.

Mixing will probably be done in Sydney with Wayne but we still don't have a release date set at the moment. I would imagine around the middle of the year. Given that the band probably aren't going to play live in the foreseeable future there is no plan to get another bass player at the moment.

To answer your question about "Not touring traditionally", that means not playing shows, not going on the road for 18 months at a time etc - it's just not possible. The main thing we have to do is make sure that the band can be creative and make great records and remain a band writing and recording songs. What we have been talking about is filming some studio shows at home and doing stuff with that. It's very early days, and honestly, the only focus we have is for the band to make a great album and be happy with it.

After everything they have been through I hope that people will be understanding enough to recognize that Craig just can't operate in the traditional record/press/tour cycle expected of bands now. He's an artist and the most talented one I have ever met, so the rules have to change a little to fit him, because it didn't work out in his best interests when we tried it the other way around - him fitting the rules!

That means i'm feeling a bunch of different emotions at once.

I think we all are.

Whoa...I don't know if this is good or bad.

I er
don't know how to respond to that
not that its not expected but I still had that little flame of hope going that they would still do an occaisional show that I could get to

ahh well, I'd rather they keep putting out albums then me being able to see them live and them falling apart
and without all the crazy promotional stuff and touring it should make for even better albums

It's still early so who knows what the future will bring with touring. I'm more concerned about Craig's peace of mind rather than a Vines tour. I'm just looking forward to hearing the new tracks.

well this is shit


iv'e never even gotten to see them live

to me, that's the most important quote in there and the part i'm most concerned with - doing what is best for craig. yeah, there is that selfish part of me that wants the new album, like, yesterday and of course i'd love to see the vines live on the stage again, but it's not about me and my wishes...it's about craig. it's great that mgmt and the band respect that.

thanks so much, linda, for providing us with more info.

My first reaction was the exact same as vinechild's . I wonder if this is what they thought all along and we misunderstood when we thought they actually would play a few shows. I could have sworn Andy K previously said that they would probably play a few dates just not every night or to that extent. Oh well, I really think the most important thing is Craig and I have always worried that traveling at all might mean a downward spiral... even if it was not many shows. I worried about cancelled dates or bad stuff in general happening that would reflect badly on Craig and more importantly make him feel bad. sure the selfish part of me is like oh man, this is disappointing but then again i like to put other people before me, and since Craig is the one making the amazing music he definately deserves to be put first.

By the way, I completely agree with Jen. and I am so happy that Andy K has such faith them. and how he said that Craig was the most talented artist he's ever met... . That's way to sweet, but I'm sure it's true anyway . And I love how he said "Craig's an artist" because I could hear Craig saying "I'm an aritst." .

Andy Kelly is the best manager in the world! That last part is very true. Craig is a genuine artist and he has difficulties fitting into the typical lifestyle of a musician. It has to be catered to his needs so that he can reach his full artistic potential. And if that means no more touring, then we'll all just have to deal. Craig's wellbeing is more important.

^ Definitely. But still sad.

<3 Andy K.

Same here.

I don't really know what to think of this. Of course I think hearing their new album is way more important than seeing them live (I noticed that I don't even care about the release date anymore; as long as it will be released I'm ok with it), but it still upsets me a little. Especially 'cause it is expected from bands that they tour alot when a new album comes out. I don't know how the 'Big Public' will react to that. And that thought scares me a little.

Yesterday in Raben Footwear (crazy shoeshop in sydney), two of my friends met Ryan and he said they would be touring in January...
Not an official statement or anything, but it gives me hope

Well, didn't we all already know this..? lol

When he first got diagnosed, theyve been saying that.

And, as much as I would like to see them live, I also understand. If hes unhappy traveling, and performing like a puppet on stage, then I understand. I wouldn't want to, either.

As much as I would like to see them, and as much as you guys would all like to, too, we need to think about his point of veiw of it.

^guess you're right...
It'd be a dream for me to see them live, but if it involves being "no good" for Craig...i believe no one will disown the Vines because they want to keep their singer healthy...and anyway, as long as they record new songs, i'm happy

maybe he'll just go touring
Ryan the one man vines band
I'd totally pay to see that

I'd totally fly to Australia to see that. What the hell am I talking about? I'd fly to Austrailia in hope of finding a stripey shirt and hat like his. No where up here is cool enough to sell stuff like that.

that's cute. And he'll wear his freddy kruger shirt and newsboy cap.
He sings, plays the guitar and drums. Come see Ryan, the amazing one man vines band.

I want to hear Ryan sing.

Some people just want to know if he can speak!

Ahhh, ryan, that reminds me. I remember ryan was the last vines face i saw before the van pulled away the night i met craig. I gave peter lusty my drawings to give to craig, and i remember glancing in in the back there, and i saw ryan looking up at me. Too sweet. No smile or nothin.. just a look.
I never got the chance to get his autograph, the only vine that didn't sign.

Hahaha!

Huh? I wonder if there is a glimer of truth in that? I kinda doubt it though. Cause Andy Kelly did sound pretty positive about the no touring in the forseeable future thing. But who knows... IF for some reason they would play in Jan. I would be so sad cause I'm comming back I think Jan. 20 about. But of course if I knew in time I would arrange to come in time for that . But I'm definately going on Andy k's record, I mean he's the manager.

Ryan the one man band! I would make it back to see that as well!! Also I'm jealous of those girls who bumped into him .
And I'm way jealous of you, Vinechild (carolyn? I feel bad not calling people by their real names), meeting them! Meeting Craig

I'd be more intrested in meeting Ryan for some reason...

When i glanced at this, it looked like it said "Also I'm jealous of those girls who humped him.


Aww...dont be jealous. You may meet them one day, you never know what goodies lie ahead. And calling me Vinechild is fine by me.

I've never heard anyone call Pete Peter before

"ryan owns...true story"

I want to see Ryan breakdance. He promised!

Well, now we know what he meant when he always said they're a recording band.

Now I know that Patrick is officially out of the band.
But the others need to stay together.
And I believe that last part is hinting at some kind of dvd?

I haven't seen them live, so I'm dissapointed like Annie is, but I would rather see Craig happy, and he is right now (scaring people etc.) so I'm just excited about the new cd. what does ''foreseeable future'' mean? Is there still some chance of a tour, even a more spaced out tour, like they'll still play, but not every night?

edit: In the 'post pictures of the vines' thread, it looks like they are having fun. does this mean anything?

It probably means they're having fun.

I mean having fun while playing live... so they like doing that... so they might still want to a little bit...

Yeah I was just thinking about that "forseeable future" thing. Maybe that means someday? I hope maybe they will play a little live show in Sydney when I'm there *crosses fingers in vain*

But again, I'm relieved they are being so accomidating for Craig and not pushing him. I just really want Craig to be happy and whatever it takes to do that is good enough for me.

Hahaha. It's the truth!

Man, that'd be the BEST thing ever. I imagine Allie would make lots of gifs.

i know but,but,but,but,but i feel like cryin...coz i'm probably never gonna meet him and the rest of the band.......But i'm so happy for the new album...well loads of emotions are inviding me at the moment

well, ya know they'll probably take a nice looooong break from touring, but they may do a few dates in the future you know
Craig may just as well miss it in time, not the hectic full world touring stuff
but yeah, I don't know where I'm going with this
and Hamish loves doing live shows...and who knows what Ryan thinks of it

yeah of course no one knows what Ryan thinks of playing live

I think this is just one of life's little mysteries. But what I can see happening is them doing a show in Sydney right after I leave or something . But that would be like... in Aug. so if they play it would probably be before that. Or well after that. Haha I'm so insane

once Ryan premieres his one man show we'll know what he thinks about touring

Yes!

you know, if he does a one man show he should go the Tom Petty route and get one of those harmonica holder things

And everyone here would pay good money to see that...

He even has the blonde hair like tom petty. It would go over well.

They May Never Tour Again?

Well, I'd better look at the bright side of things
It means no bloody groupies hanging around Craig and diverting his attention from a certain band member

So it may be a classic...and they lived happily ever after

It's still early in the game. I say we see how the new album is received and that's still a ways away.

i sooo wanted to see them live

I hope they do a tour, just a real spaced out one so it's more comfortable you know?

So they can play their "space" rock.

!

well im just so overwhelmed....though by now i could quote a bunch of these replies, im just going to say i agree with what everyone is saying.
i am so angry with myself for not liking them ealy enough to have seen them a few times but i think that one day they would do some sort of concert that i could get too...but it did sound like they may have a DVD which would be great .
so whatever works for them, i will be suportive and greatful for what we will get and if for now thats just the album im more that happy