garbage
Dec 1 2004, 05:29 AM
Im tryin estimating the number of The Vines anti-fans. I guess therere only bout five thousand The Vines fans but tons of the Vines haters. They are always fans of the stars whom The Vines fans are often anti. A symbolic example is Jessica Simpson.
But I cant understand what are the reasons. No one I know knows much enough about The Vines to really hate them, so Im actually wondering... why can the Vines haters hate the Vines. Why? You know?
NICOLETTE
Dec 1 2004, 06:43 AM
stupid people!!.........why you must ask

???..,cause they are stupid.
people need to atleast respect the music that they are making....yea you don't like a band or singer cause their style and taste but fuck dude..its music!!
apocalyptic bastard
Dec 1 2004, 09:07 AM
hmm...i don't know...i guess they play a not commercial music and they don't follow a trend so they're considered out.
Instead many friend of mine doesn't like them because they say they are not talented even if they never really listened to their music, they saw once Craig singing in falsetto, make strange faces, smashing his guitar and they all said "baaaa a kurt wannabe with a gay voice".
Maxwell Demon
Dec 1 2004, 11:35 AM
well most guys I know who hate the vines talk about how gay Craig is
then my best friend who is a huge vines fan also talks about how gay Craig is
I guess my point is....I don't have a point, but people tend to like to think Craig is gay.
kaleidoscope_eyes
Dec 1 2004, 09:27 PM
lol. that made me laugh Lizzy.
i guess it's just not the type of music they prefer. for the people who didnt listen to them and still say they hate them, are either just trying to be cool (people at my horrid school consider me as a loser for liking the vines) or they've seen what they look like and..well..basically don't like what they see which kind of makes them ignore what they hear. or they think craig is a total fuckface for the way he acts. or they just plainly have never heard about them...which is usually the case at my school..no one knows them and if they do..they hate them.
tims ur daddy
Dec 1 2004, 09:56 PM
people who listen to Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson dont even know who the Vines are, so theyre not even able to hate them
I think the biggest Vines haters come in 3 forms:
1. the music snobs: these people remind me of Pitchfork (online magazine) or the VIllage Voice (magazine). They look down on every existing band and always complain that "nothing is new" or on how the old days were so much better. They want to seem smarter than everyone so they only listen to underground bands, bands that have already broken up, or Radiohead. Maybe they would have liked the Strokes, but god the Strokes are way too popular for their taste. They wouldnt want to be caught listening to something that everyone else listens to, it'd make them uncool. And they wouldnt go anywhere near The Vines, cause the Vines 1.arent underground, 2. are loved by the radio and MTV 3. went platinum with highly evolved and 3. were on the cover of *gasp* Rolling Stone.
2. the defensive-offensive: lets use "Bob" as an example of this type. Bob listens to music. maybe he listens to Yellowcard, maybe evanescense, maybe classics like Led Zepplin. and then Bob hears about how cool and great The Strokes and The Vines are. so he gives the Vines a try and finds that he doesnt like it. he could just forget about the Vines right there and never talk aobut them again. but the thing is that he feels that he is insulted. It seems like all the smart and "hip" people listen to the Vines, so Bob sees it as this: since he doesnt understand the vines, then it must mean he's not as smart or hip. he takes this as an insult, so to defend himself he becomes offensive. he goes out of his way to bash the Vines and talk about how theyre "overhyped" of whatever. and then he'll talk about how vines fans are a bunch of wanna-be-hipsters. all this his hatred for the Vines is used to make him feel better about himself.
3. Nirvana fans: i dont know how many fucking times ive told people that the Vines ARENT RIPPING OFF NIRVANA. would Kurt ever write a song like Mary Jane? COuntry Yard? TV Pro? Sunshinin? Does the Highly Evolved album or Winning Days album sound like Nevermind or In Utero?
sunchild.
Dec 1 2004, 11:05 PM
hmmm perhaps they just don't like the music?
king koopa
Dec 1 2004, 11:06 PM
QUOTE(Aesthetic_Dame @ Dec 1 2004, 06:35 AM)
well most guys I know who hate the vines talk about how gay Craig is
then my best friend who is a huge vines fan also talks about how gay Craig is
I guess my point is....I don't have a point, but people tend to like to think Craig is gay.
i could see that
enjoythesilence
Dec 1 2004, 11:09 PM
most of my friends like the vines. none of my friends hate them.
Dalai Lama
Dec 1 2004, 11:21 PM
my one friend i said "listen to the vines its so great!" and he was like "ew no i dont listen to that stuff" and he ripped my headphones up...
some poeple are just wierd...
CraigsDreamer
Dec 2 2004, 03:34 AM
because there satanic
garbage
Dec 2 2004, 04:34 AM
QUOTE(Aesthetic_Dame @ Dec 1 2004, 11:35 AM)
well most guys I know who hate the vines talk about how gay Craig is
then my best friend who is a huge vines fan also talks about how gay Craig is
I guess my point is....I don't have a point, but people tend to like to think Craig is gay.
haha
Craigs not gay. But what would happen if Craig were really gay? He couldnt play music?
QUOTE(tims ur daddy @ Dec 1 2004, 09:56 PM)
3. Nirvana fans: i dont know how many fucking times ive told people that the Vines ARENT RIPPING OFF NIRVANA. would Kurt ever write a song like Mary Jane? COuntry Yard? TV Pro? Sunshinin? Does the Highly Evolved album or Winning Days album sound like Nevermind or In Utero?
No, Nirvana fans (me or some I know) dont hate The Vines and even like them!
QUOTE(enjoythesilence @ Dec 1 2004, 11:09 PM)
most of my friends like the vines. none of my friends hate them.
God!

ya lucky!
Freaky_freak
Dec 2 2004, 07:57 AM
QUOTE(garbage @ Dec 1 2004, 05:29 AM)
Im tryin estimating the number of The Vines anti-fans. I guess therere only bout five thousand The Vines fans but tons of the Vines haters. They are always fans of the stars whom The Vines fans are often anti. A symbolic example is Jessica Simpson.
But I cant understand what are the reasons. No one I know knows much enough about The Vines to really hate them, so Im actually wondering... why can the Vines haters hate the Vines. Why? You know?
Perfect timing. I have a speech due tomorrow that can relate to that. You see, it's all about intergenre feuds. It means that people disagree with each other because they have their different tastes in music.
QUOTE(Craighead @ Dec 1 2004, 06:12 AM)
Probably 'cause it's not the sort of music everyone listens to. It's not mainstream enough, so many people ignore the good music, and listen to things such as Britney, Avril, Good Charlotte and other mainstream-horrors.
Also, I believe girls and boys both have their own reasons to hate The Vines. For example(so I'm not saying it's EVERYONE's opinion):
Boys --> Judging by the behaviour of the guys in my school - there's also the amount of jealousy(mostly towards Craig). It's kinda the same thing most girls have with Britney Spears(me not included, though).
Girls --> Mostly, girls naturally prefer music such as Britney, Jessica and X-Tina. It's just the sort of music most girls really like. Y'know, 'cause there are alot of girly-girls, the types with expensive clothes and stuff, the ones who care about looks. Since they care about looks so much, they usually hate rock bands, sometimes only because rockstars don't look very clean and stuff, which can(believe me, I've got a few of "those" in my class) just be the(terribly ignorant) reason to hate 'em.
I think it's bullshit, though. They need to wake up and realise there's also GOOD music to listen to.

See? Here's an example of intergenre feud. Here, Craighead rebels against pop. But we're not sure how pop fans feel about their pop stars. Who knows? Maybe they feel the same way with how we feel about our rock bands. They cherish the music.
Craighead, im not dissing you. Im just using your quote as an example. If you hate pop, i respect that...cus i don't like it that much either.
QUOTE(CraigsDreamer @ Dec 2 2004, 03:34 AM)
I don't think so. Believe it or not, im a Catholic but I still love the Vines. Maybe I just see them in a different way compared to the way other catholics see them...
help me!
Dec 2 2004, 08:37 AM
people who hate the vines are people like my friends. all of them. except you guys of course.
Freaky_freak
Dec 2 2004, 09:05 AM
QUOTE(help me! @ Dec 2 2004, 08:37 AM)
people who hate the vines are people like my friends. all of them. except you guys of course.
Awww...I like you too.
My friends also make fun of the vines, especially craig. Even the ones who like their music.
Hey, i can see by the stuff written on your sig that we have a lot in common.
garbage
Dec 2 2004, 10:02 AM
QUOTE(sunchild. @ Dec 1 2004, 11:05 PM)
hmmm perhaps they just don't like the music?
You meant music or The Music band?
apocalyptic bastard
Dec 2 2004, 11:02 AM
QUOTE(tims ur daddy @ Dec 1 2004, 09:56 PM)
people who listen to Britney Spears or Jessica Simpson dont even know who the Vines are, so theyre not even able to hate them
I think the biggest Vines haters come in 3 forms:
1. the music snobs: these people remind me of Pitchfork (online magazine) or the VIllage Voice (magazine). They look down on every existing band and always complain that "nothing is new" or on how the old days were so much better. They want to seem smarter than everyone so they only listen to underground bands, bands that have already broken up, or Radiohead. Maybe they would have liked the Strokes, but god the Strokes are way too popular for their taste. They wouldnt want to be caught listening to something that everyone else listens to, it'd make them uncool. And they wouldnt go anywhere near The Vines, cause the Vines 1.arent underground, 2. are loved by the radio and MTV 3. went platinum with highly evolved and 3. were on the cover of *gasp* Rolling Stone.
2. the defensive-offensive: lets use "Bob" as an example of this type. Bob listens to music. maybe he listens to Yellowcard, maybe evanescense, maybe classics like Led Zepplin. and then Bob hears about how cool and great The Strokes and The Vines are. so he gives the Vines a try and finds that he doesnt like it. he could just forget about the Vines right there and never talk aobut them again. but the thing is that he feels that he is insulted. It seems like all the smart and "hip" people listen to the Vines, so Bob sees it as this: since he doesnt understand the vines, then it must mean he's not as smart or hip. he takes this as an insult, so to defend himself he becomes offensive. he goes out of his way to bash the Vines and talk about how theyre "overhyped" of whatever. and then he'll talk about how vines fans are a bunch of wanna-be-hipsters. all this his hatred for the Vines is used to make him feel better about himself.
hahaha i agree, this analysis is funny and true, it couldn't have said it better
QUOTE(tims ur daddy @ Dec 1 2004, 09:56 PM)
3. Nirvana fans: i dont know how many fucking times ive told people that the Vines ARENT RIPPING OFF NIRVANA. would Kurt ever write a song like Mary Jane? COuntry Yard? TV Pro? Sunshinin? Does the Highly Evolved album or Winning Days album sound like Nevermind or In Utero?
No Kurt couldn't write songs like that, *cough*he was better*cough*
Maxwell Demon
Dec 2 2004, 07:10 PM
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Craig was gay.
but yeah I'm not going to start this whole thing up again.
we'll just leave it for Jack White to know and for everyone else to find out.
over here- most only know of "Get Free" or "Ride" from the commercials...and say they are alright, but the people who have seen the concerts or bothered to listen to more of their music loves them to death...
And so far that has always been the case. I've never met an Anti-Vines and if I ever was too.... they will be converted. I promise.
CandyCaneChild
Dec 3 2004, 02:53 AM
QUOTE(Aesthetic_Dame @ Dec 2 2004, 12:10 PM)
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Craig was gay.
but yeah I'm not going to start this whole thing up again.
we'll just leave it for Jack White to know and for everyone else to find out.
I would be evry surprised if Craig revealed he was gay.
And i may be having an extreme blonde moment but I don't understand the Jack White comment. Did I miss something or am I just not getting it?
CraigsDreamer
Dec 3 2004, 02:59 AM
QUOTE
I don't think so. Believe it or not, im a Catholic but I still love the Vines. Maybe I just see them in a different way compared to the way other catholics see them...
IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!
you know how most stuck up people hate rock cuz its "of the devil"
QUOTE(CraigsDreamer @ Dec 2 2004, 09:59 PM)
IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!
you know how most stuck up people hate rock cuz its "of the devil"
HAHA! True true.
Freaky_freak
Dec 3 2004, 03:16 AM
QUOTE(CraigsDreamer @ Dec 3 2004, 02:59 AM)
IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!
you know how most stuck up people hate rock cuz its "of the devil"
Oops. Sorry, i thought you were serious. Haha!
By the way, you know who's stuck up? My ever so Catholic family. Well, most of them, anyway. You know that "rock on" symbol where you raise your thumb, index finger and pinky? My sister says it's the sign of the devil. And my mom once heard me listening to rock music and she's like, "What kind of music is that? It sounds like it's coming from hell!"
They all see rock music through the eyes of an ordinary Catholic. I don't know how i made it possible to love rock and be a catholic at the same time...
Mary_said
Dec 3 2004, 03:21 AM
I have a friend who loves Nirvana but hates the Vines, she calls them "pop", hmmm... well she likes Tool and I don't so I guess we're even.
Duck
Dec 3 2004, 03:22 AM
the question do VInes fans want people who listen to Britney and Jessica and Good Charlotte want them to listen to the Vines.
Mary_said
Dec 3 2004, 03:25 AM
I could really care less if anyone liked the same music I do. If its bad then its bad, like Ashly Simpson, some stupid freshmen tried to make me listen to it, she said she was goin to convert me.
CraigsDreamer
Dec 3 2004, 03:26 AM
QUOTE(Freaky_freak @ Dec 3 2004, 03:16 AM)
Oops. Sorry, i thought you were serious. Haha!
By the way, you know who's stuck up? My ever so Catholic family. Well, most of them, anyway. You know that "rock on" symbol where you raise your thumb, index finger and pinky? My sister says it's the sign of the devil. And my mom once heard me listening to rock music and she's like, "What kind of music is that? It sounds like it's coming from hell!"
They all see rock music through the eyes of an ordinary Catholic. I don't know how i made it possible to love rock and be a catholic at the same time...

I hate it when people are like "if you are religus you cant listen to this music" and I don't think it matters what religion you to what type of music you listen to
and NO NO NO thats not the rock on sign,thats love!!!
the rock on sign is with your thumb in like this
\m/
/
and you got to face your thumb toward them or else its devil horns
CraigsDreamer
Dec 3 2004, 03:27 AM
QUOTE(Duck @ Dec 3 2004, 03:22 AM)
the question do VInes fans want people who listen to Britney and Jessica and Good Charlotte want them to listen to the Vines.
no and no
this is why the vines SHOULD NOT be voted for TRL
Freaky_freak
Dec 3 2004, 03:38 AM
QUOTE(CraigsDreamer @ Dec 3 2004, 03:26 AM)
I hate it when people are like "if you are religus you cant listen to this music" and I don't think it matters what religion you to what type of music you listen to
and NO NO NO thats not the rock on sign,thats love!!!
the rock on sign is with your thumb in like this
\m/
/
and you got to face your thumb toward them or else its devil horns
Yeah, my family is like that and it's so annoying! You don't have to be satanic or agnostic to listen to rock music! Some religious groups today even use rock to promote Christianity!!
Lucky for me, I can balance my love for music and my religion!
CraigsDreamer
Dec 3 2004, 03:40 AM
QUOTE(Freaky_freak @ Dec 3 2004, 03:38 AM)
Some religious groups today even use rock to promote Christianity!!
sounds like my church,i mean,we even mosh,and its mostly the paster that starts it!
......where all going to hell
Freaky_freak
Dec 3 2004, 03:48 AM
QUOTE(CraigsDreamer @ Dec 3 2004, 03:40 AM)
sounds like my church,i mean,we even mosh,and its mostly the paster that starts it!
......where all going to hell
hmmm...iLL pray for you. Just kidding!! Bad Joke...sorry
Mary_said
Dec 3 2004, 03:49 AM
the only other person that I know at my school who knows of the vines is the girl who hates 'em, to tell you the truth, its fine by me!
CraigsDreamer
Dec 3 2004, 04:01 AM
QUOTE(Freaky_freak @ Dec 3 2004, 03:48 AM)
hmmm...iLL pray for you. Just kidding!! Bad Joke...sorry
tis ok
kaleidoscope_eyes
Dec 3 2004, 04:09 AM
QUOTE(Freaky_freak @ Dec 3 2004, 03:16 AM)
Oops. Sorry, i thought you were serious. Haha!
By the way, you know who's stuck up? My ever so Catholic family. Well, most of them, anyway. You know that "rock on" symbol where you raise your thumb, index finger and pinky? My sister says it's the sign of the devil. And my mom once heard me listening to rock music and she's like, "What kind of music is that? It sounds like it's coming from hell!"
They all see rock music through the eyes of an ordinary Catholic. I don't know how i made it possible to love rock and be a catholic at the same time...

weird..im catholic myself, but i dont believe in it and my parents don't give 2 shits...and they're even part of the choir of the church so they go to church every sunday..and they like the music i like! even the priests and stuff at the church don't see it as 'devil's music'. that was more in the 50s era.
Mary_said
Dec 3 2004, 04:13 AM
This has gone from hating the Vines to a discussion on religion, the world never ceases to dazzle me. Oh world, show me your sparkles!!
Mary_said
Dec 3 2004, 04:19 AM
On the note of religion, my best friend was christian and I let her listen to my music ( when I was listening to Ludacris and Jarule) and her parents decided that they didn't like that. Her mom also wouldnt let us see "Miss congeniality" on my b-day b/c she didn't approve of it till she saw it, then when it came out on video she bought it!!! stupid witch... DAMN THOSE RELIGIOUS NUTS AND THERE EXCLUSIVE WAYS!!!
Freaky_freak
Dec 3 2004, 06:00 AM
QUOTE(kaleidoscope_eyes @ Dec 3 2004, 04:09 AM)
weird..im catholic myself, but i dont believe in it and my parents don't give 2 shits...and they're even part of the choir of the church so they go to church every sunday..and they like the music i like! even the priests and stuff at the church don't see it as 'devil's music'. that was more in the 50s era.
Wow, you're so lucky you live around open-minded people. My mom is soooooo religious. She scares me sometimes. Im starting to freak out thinking iLL end up like
CARRIE. I mean, Im religious myself but in a totally different way. In an open-minded way...sort of...no...sompletely different
craig_is_crazy..so_am_i
Dec 3 2004, 06:02 AM
alot of ppl that i know dont like the vines cause they say the vines think their the shit..and think that their cool cause they smoke endless amounts of pot...
..they are the shit..and i love them..pot or no pot..
Freaky_freak
Dec 3 2004, 06:25 AM
i love everything about the vines.
eat grapes
Dec 3 2004, 07:58 AM
I go to an anglican school and i was wearing this button badge that says "shoot down the angels" which is the name of this local band... it was just my luck that i had to talk to the head of senior school that day...
aw man that sucked, but he pretended not to see it but i felt so bad.
I go to church too but my parents don't care about what i listen to as long as its not too depressing.
My heart goes out to you all who have to be near people who are telling you you will go to hell. seriously i dunno how id live
Freaky_freak
Dec 3 2004, 10:45 AM
QUOTE(eat grapes @ Dec 3 2004, 07:58 AM)
I go to an anglican school and i was wearing this button badge that says "shoot down the angels" which is the name of this local band... it was just my luck that i had to talk to the head of senior school that day...
aw man that sucked, but he pretended not to see it but i felt so bad.
I go to church too but my parents don't care about what i listen to as long as its not too depressing.
My heart goes out to you all who have to be near people who are telling you you will go to hell. seriously i dunno how id live
well, no one has ever told me that i'd go to hell. But im a bit scared cuz i don't know what God thinks of me. Who knows where id end up? But i honestly don't belive that hell exists...
Maxwell Demon
Dec 3 2004, 10:49 AM
my brother freaked out once when he was 7 in sunday school and the nun teaching it told him the devil was lurking in his shadow and that if he didn't behave the devil would lure him into a life that leads to Hell
well...after that my parents pulled him out of Sunday school and for years afterwards he was extremely jumpy at night thinking the devil was gunna jump out at him.
Freaky_freak
Dec 3 2004, 11:37 AM
wow. My sister once told me that everytime i do something bad, the devil cheers my name. I had nightmares for days.
stinkstiefel
Dec 3 2004, 03:44 PM
I never met people who hate or donīt like em. believe it or not. all of my friends love their music and noone ever bothered me when I was walking through my school/ town with my Vines-shirts, buttons and stuff.
but I guess most of them donīt even know who they are.
anyway I donīt really care why some people do, as long as we love them thatīs all that matters.
kaleidoscope_eyes
Dec 4 2004, 01:13 AM
i believe that we are in hell. i mean, come on..just look at the news.
Freaky_freak
Dec 4 2004, 01:52 AM
QUOTE(kaleidoscope_eyes @ Dec 4 2004, 01:13 AM)
i believe that we are in hell. i mean, come on..just look at the news.
Oh yeah, you have a point.
Eyes_Between
Dec 4 2004, 01:53 AM
QUOTE(kaleidoscope_eyes @ Dec 3 2004, 07:13 PM)
i believe that we are in hell. i mean, come on..just look at the news.
Last time I said something remotely similar to that..I had to go sit in the corner at school.
little_washu712
Dec 4 2004, 01:53 AM
QUOTE(kaleidoscope_eyes @ Dec 3 2004, 08:13 PM)
i believe that we are in hell. i mean, come on..just look at the news.
Or my Geometry class. That's my vision of hell. Nothing but proofs all day long.
CraigsDreamer
Dec 4 2004, 04:53 AM
back to topic, I think most people may hate the vines for the reasons as folled
1. thay use drugs
2. thay may think the vines are ugly
3. thay may not like the videos
4. thay may not like the songs
5. Thay may not like rock
6. thay may not be allowed to
7. thay may be jellous
8. thay may just be hidding it
9. thay may never of heard them just assume
10. may of read a bad artical
11 may not like live preformances
12. may think thay rip off songs
13. may think there sell outs
14. may not like there personalitys/dissorders
15. my not like record lable
just a few
Freaky_freak
Dec 4 2004, 08:44 AM
QUOTE(CraigsDreamer @ Dec 4 2004, 04:53 AM)
back to topic, I think most people may hate the vines for the reasons as folled
1. thay use drugs
2. thay may think the vines are ugly
3. thay may not like the videos
4. thay may not like the songs
5. Thay may not like rock
6. thay may not be allowed to
7. thay may be jellous
8. thay may just be hidding it
9. thay may never of heard them just assume
10. may of read a bad artical
11 may not like live preformances
12. may think thay rip off songs
13. may think there sell outs
14. may not like there personalitys/dissorders
15. my not like record lable
just a few
yep, all of the above
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